Super Champ re-release - Fighting Buggy

[futureworks 900]

1 hour ago, Fuijo said:

Hopefully it will whet a few appetites for the upcoming re-release.

Well, if those pics don't tempt folks, nothing will!

I've just seen that Fusion Hobbies now also have this listed in the UK for £295 pre-order, and it'll be under £270 delivered with the TC discount added.

[SRB Bloke 237]

Hello Buddy,

Remind how we get the discount again ?

39 minutes ago, futureworks said:

Well, if those pics don't tempt folks, nothing will!

I've just seen that Fusion Hobbies now also have this listed in the UK for £295 pre-order, and it'll be under £270 delivered with the TC discount added.

 

[futureworks 900]

21 minutes ago, SRB Bloke said:

Remind how we get the discount again ?

If it still operates the same way as when I did it, then follow this: email Joanne at Fusion saying you'd like to get a TC discount: info@fusionhobbies.com

If you are a TC Forum member, you get 5% discount, and if a full subscriber, 10%. You just need to provide your TC membership number. If you don't know this, go to your profile page on the main site (not the Forum), and click in the URL box, and you'll see your member number at the end of the URL. Send that plus your TC name to Joanne, and she will send you a code, which you use during check-out on their website. 

[Re-Bugged 11217]

10 hours ago, Fuijo said:

 

And there’s me thinking I’d made my last order for Alloy rim covers too... 😉

[Raman36 1700]

10 hours ago, Fuijo said:P1010854 by James H, on Flickr

That’s nearly as sexy of derrière shot to my Carrera 🥰

[kid168 36]

Can you cut and shorten the hose from the oil container to the shock?

 

[unixphreak 60]

Yes you can it does not need to be that exact length. I would leave a bit to trap air bubbles but trim enough to keep it inside the body. 

[Fuijo 913]

18 hours ago, kid168 said:

Can you cut and shorten the hose from the oil container to the shock?

 

Not really, no. At least not by very much. The rear shock has a large range of movement, not only as it compresses, but as the suspension articulates the entire shock moves side to side by quite a bit.

If you don't allow enough length of hose for this movement it will just get ripped off and dump the oil everywhere.

It is not possible to keep the hose inside the confines of the body because of the large range of movement the shock travels through.

You could change it to a black hose like on the original Super Champ so that it doesn't stand out as much, but that would make getting all the air bubbles out more difficult.

 

[unixphreak 60]

1 hour ago, Fuijo said:

Not really, no. At least not by very much. The rear shock has a large range of movement, not only as it compresses, but as the suspension articulates the entire shock moves side to side by quite a bit.

If you don't allow enough length of hose for this movement it will just get ripped off and dump the oil everywhere.

It is not possible to keep the hose inside the confines of the body because of the large range of movement the shock travels through.

You could change it to a black hose like on the original Super Champ so that it doesn't stand out as much, but that would make getting all the air bubbles out more difficult.

 

Yes you can, just be smart to cut it the correct length measure twice cut once. The range of movement has nothing to do with the length,  most of it is zip tied to two different points on the chassis. Fujio you must not have this buggy or you would have realized this. Please give factual information so people are not duped and second guess correct information that is presented to them. 

 

[Fuijo 913]

24 minutes ago, unixphreak said:

Fujio you must not have this buggy or you would have realized this.

No that's right. I don't have this buggy. Lol.

[Fuijo 913]

If anyone is confused by the apparent contradiction, you can see on the photo a few posts above of, erm, my Fighting Buggy, that the only place the oil hose sticks out from the body is by the left rear wheel.

I believe that it's not really practical to make this loop any smaller without making the bend too tight.

The Super Champ used a different routing. A direct route between the bottle and the shock. But the hose is only supported at the points where it makes a connection to bottle and shock. Every time the shock moves so does the hose, and at right angles to the bottle connection. So it was no great surprise

that leaks were very common at this point. At least where it connects to the shock the movement is in line with the way the pipe fits to it, not pulling it side to side.

The Fighting Buggy routing is much better. The bottle joint doesn't move at all with suspension movement because the hose is fixed up until a point much further away from the shock, and so the loop sticking out of the side of the car can be smaller.

One can of course revert back to the Super Champ routing for looks or whatever, but it leaked. Once the Fighting Buggy o-rings have been replaced for decent ones, it doesn't leak.

 

[unixphreak 60]

On 12/2/2020 at 4:08 AM, Fuijo said:

If anyone is confused by the apparent contradiction, you can see on the photo a few posts above of, erm, my Fighting Buggy, that the only place the oil hose sticks out from the body is by the left rear wheel.

I believe that it's not really practical to make this loop any smaller without making the bend too tight.

The Super Champ used a different routing. A direct route between the bottle and the shock. But the hose is only supported at the points where it makes a connection to bottle and shock. Every time the shock moves so does the hose, and at right angles to the bottle connection. So it was no great surprise

that leaks were very common at this point. At least where it connects to the shock the movement is in line with the way the pipe fits to it, not pulling it side to side.

The Fighting Buggy routing is much better. The bottle joint doesn't move at all with suspension movement because the hose is fixed up until a point much further away from the shock, and so the loop sticking out of the side of the car can be smaller.

One can of course revert back to the Super Champ routing for looks or whatever, but it leaked. Once the Fighting Buggy o-rings have been replaced for decent ones, it doesn't leak.

 

  You actually need the buggy in hand. The line does not need to stick out as far as it does also the system is no different than the Super Champ same concept updated hardware. A loop will help contain the bubbles that could be created if the buggy was upside-down and the empty space at the top of the reservoir decided to move a bubble, it does not need to be there if enough length was maintained for the side to side movement. Feel free to look at the Super Champ in my showroom, it may not have the "loop" but in Stock form with an unaltered hose front the reservoir to the shock there is plenty of length to not proceed the side to side torsion you describe so you point is moot. The only reason the Super Champ leaked is the nipple that is fitted to the reservior needed to be sealed and the shock itself leaked at the shaft insertion point not where the hose was connected unless broken at that point.

  Also the Fighting Buggy never needed to have the o-rings replaced in the rear shock, almost 7 years and the rear shock has never seeped once. 

 

I really advise that you first need to own a buggy to be able to postulate on this subject. You are cause more and more confusion the longer you speak.

[Fuijo 913]

4 hours ago, unixphreak said:

You actually need the buggy in hand.

Having the buggy in my hand and typing at the same time is difficult.

4 hours ago, unixphreak said:

The line does not need to stick out as far as it does also the system is no different than the Super Champ same concept updated hardware.

I think it does, and yes it is different like I explained above.

4 hours ago, unixphreak said:

A loop will help contain the bubbles that could be created if the buggy was upside-down and the empty space at the top of the reservoir decided to move a bubble, it does not need to be there if enough length was maintained for the side to side movement.

I don't know what this means. As you can see there are no bubbles in the oil pipe on my Fighting Buggy. Even when it's upside down.

4 hours ago, unixphreak said:

Feel free to look at the Super Champ in my showroom, it may not have the "loop" but in Stock form with an unaltered hose front the reservoir to the shock there is plenty of length to not proceed the side to side torsion you describe so you point is moot.

I have looked, and in my opinion your loop is far too short. That small piece of hose is going to be moving a great deal in use, and will stress the connections. You could tell us, but it looks like you've sold it. Remind me who needs to have the buggy in hand?

4 hours ago, unixphreak said:

The only reason the Super Champ leaked is the nipple that is fitted to the reservior needed to be sealed and the shock itself leaked at the shaft insertion point not where the hose was connected unless broken at that point.

I don't agree.

4 hours ago, unixphreak said:

Also the Fighting Buggy never needed to have the o-rings replaced in the rear shock, almost 7 years and the rear shock has never seeped once.

Mine did. The red o-rings stick after standing for a while. But this might not have been helped by keeping it in a heated room. The blue TRF o-rings fixed it, and it hasn't happened again.

4 hours ago, unixphreak said:

I really advise that you first need to own a buggy to be able to postulate on this subject. You are cause more and more confusion the longer you speak.

You are talking complete rot and/or your observation skills are terrible. Either way I wont be disscussing this with you any more.

[unixphreak 60]

Kid168, 

I hope you were able to figure this out for yourself since this person has no experience and only uneducated opinions. Good luck and enjoy your Fighting Buggy they are an exceptional vehicle. 

 

Fujio, 

Now you are talking a load of bull. The only shocks that needed the better oring are the FRONT shocks. I have had three super Champs and none had the problem with the hose to the shock. You are being an ignorant person just to be difficult. Yes I can tell you from experience that the super champ hose length is not too short and works just fine. And why don't you explain your disagreement about the super champ shock leakage I explained do you have the experience to make an assessment? I don't think so based on any of your "opinions" not direct experience. 

[Shodog 1842]

You guys are arguing about a toy car. Grow up. Agree to disagree. Your online egos don’t need stroking

[unixphreak 60]

Not about an ego, just about giving accurate information to the person asking a question. If you see it fit that people are giving information based on an opinion and not fact then I will not need to post anymore.  FIN. 

 

 

[tamiya3speed 503]

So...

who is going to try the Brat body like junkmunki did below?  I just might.  Dare i say that it does hide the hose that appears to have started such a fuss. 😉

 

[kid168 36]

I dont have the buggy but planning to this Dec re release. Thank you for the correct info unixphreak. Appreciated.

I have to agree again with unixphreak, If you don't own the item in topic, don't answer like you own one. You can just state that "I think" or "in my opinion"  etc. It confuses everyone, the ones who own it and the ones planning to own it. IMO

[Re-Bugged 11217]

This one done by a TC member is what I’d be leaning towards @tamiya3speed 😉

[kid168 36]

6 minutes ago, Re-Bugged said:

This one done by a TC member is what I’d be leaning towards @tamiya3speed 😉

That is nice!

[Shodog 1842]

I like that front bumper. Anybody knows who makes it?

[Mokei Kagaku 2908]

9 hours ago, unixphreak said:

Not about an ego, just about giving accurate information to the person asking a question. If you see it fit that people are giving information based on an opinion and not fact then I will not need to post anymore.  FIN. 

I would reconsider my way of communicating if I were you. Your abusive, disrespectful and aggressive style will quickly get you expelled from this forum. The TC forum has unusually strict rules that are actually enforced, and this has ensured that it has stayed friendly, respectful and generally nice for two decades, unlike most forums.

Furthermore, Fujio is a pretty active member here who coheres to the rules and is known as factual, experienced and knowledgable. That doesn't mean that you can't have a different experience with the Fighting Buggy/Super Champ, but then again, there is no reason to assume or even claim that he's lying or that his experience isn't real.

Stay friendly, respect the opinions of other members, even if they don't fully coincide with your own, and you'll discover that this forum is a great place to be and offers great opportunities to learn something new regardless of how vast one's experience is!  

That said, I will emphasise that I fully agree with you about the obligation to give accurate information.  Occasionally, people will post statements that are clearly not true and can be checked against "absolute" facts.  Calling out other members who are presenting assumptions, guesses or downright lies as facts is one of the sometimes, but thankfully rarely required activities to keep this forum a trustworthy source of information.  With all the different parameters involved, the required or ideal length of the damper hose of the FB/SC is clearly not such a case and Fujio's obviously experience based opinion is as legitimate as your own.

 

[Re-Bugged 11217]

2 hours ago, Shodog said:

I like that front bumper. Anybody knows who makes it?

I was meaning to ask the same thing, I was on the fly at the time and have been racking my brain as to the members name but, can’t for the life of me remember who it was? I saved the pic from the main showroom site I think ages ago. Hopefully will come to light soon 🤔

[Re-Bugged 11217]

Just Checked Pinterest...

https://pin.it/2puKPUU
 

and reading through the comments, the builder made the bumper himself!!

So now we just need to find out where he lives 😁

[unixphreak 60]

6 hours ago, Mokei Kagaku said:

I would reconsider my way of communicating if I were you. Your abusive, disrespectful and aggressive style will quickly get you expelled from this forum. The TC forum has unusually strict rules that are actually enforced, and this has ensured that it has stayed friendly, respectful and generally nice for two decades, unlike most forums.

Furthermore, Fujio is a pretty active member here who coheres to the rules and is known as factual, experienced and knowledgable. That doesn't mean that you can't have a different experience with the Fighting Buggy/Super Champ, but then again, there is no reason to assume or even claim that he's lying or that his experience isn't real.

Stay friendly, respect the opinions of other members, even if they don't fully coincide with your own, and you'll discover that this forum is a great place to be and offers great opportunities to learn something new regardless of how vast one's experience is!  

That said, I will emphasise that I fully agree with you about the obligation to give accurate information.  Occasionally, people will post statements that are clearly not true and can be checked against "absolute" facts.  Calling out other members who are presenting assumptions, guesses or downright lies as facts is one of the sometimes, but thankfully rarely required activities to keep this forum a trustworthy source of information.  With all the different parameters involved, the required or ideal length of the damper hose of the FB/SC is clearly not such a case and Fujio's obviously experience based opinion is as legitimate as your own.

 

Apparently you are blind and have a bias towards your friends in this site and you should probably admonish your friend on his way of speaking down to others also. Best of luck.