TBLE-02 ESC ?

[Vrooom666]

I dont really understand this ESC, this esc on paper said it can go low as 10.5T brushless YET it cannot do any lower than 25t brushed motor? I thought this is strange...

[alfagta]

brushless motors are way more efficient than brushed motors , couple that with the way the fets are utilized , most likely all fets are in use forward or reverse in brushless mode, but, in brushed mode only 2/3 of the fets are for forward and 1/3 for reverse ,

for the record i cant get mine to run 10.5 when in a 2wd off road buggy on grass , it thermals after a couple of minutes , on road it is fine though ,

hope this helps a bit

[mr crispy]

If you assume a brushless 13.5 motor is roughly equivalent to a 27T silvercan, then 25T sounds pretty close to 10.5 to me.

[redzone]

If a 13.5 is the same as a silver can, your 13.5 must be absolutely stuffed

[matman]

If a 13.5 is the same as a silver can, your 13.5 must be absolutely stuffed

When BL came out , it was understood that the windings etc , ( 'alot of confusion then ' ) 13.5 bl = 27 turn brush ( 13.5 x 2 = 27 )

This is how it was compared as, at that time . Very early days , when they just coming out . But the bl system was more

powerful than what it was expected & things changed ( or more like some one complained ) something like that , I'm know

expert . But this is what was going around in the early days of brushless & they were fun days .

[XV Pilot]

Those must have been very early days indeed! Even around 2006 when the group I raced with were talking about allowing brushless motors, 17.5t was being considered as a 27t brushed equivalent.

And I know from my test run last week that a modern budget 13.5t brushless setup makes a TZ look quite tame and languid in comparison...

[Roasty]

I was thinking of putting a brushless motor on to mine as we'll . Will it be ok with 13.5 and is the better than the Tamiya Torque tuned motor in there at he moment.

[XV Pilot]

I am running a 13.5t brushless on a TBLE-02 in my TT01 on 25/55 and it runs through a whole 3000mAh pack without thermalling. I reckon as long as it has adequate airflow it'll be fine.

And yes, the performance gain relative to a Torque Tuned will be very noticeable!

[GregM]

EDIT: My post is unnecessary, since all I wanted to say has been already mentioned by alfagta and XV pilot.

EDIT2: I would put the Torque Tuned somewhere inbetween the 2500 kV (16.5 T) and 2000 kV (17.5 T) brushless range.

[LongRat]

The difficulty comparing motors is largely because KV ratings are barely ever quoted for brushed motors. The reason why you can't have wind-to-wind equivalence between brushless and brushed is mainly to do with the timing. We all know if you wind up the timing on a brushed motor it will go faster. But on a brushless system the ESC can have a lot more control of the timing of the electronic commutation. The first brushless system I used in a car was in 2000, I got the Modeltech system which was one of the very first on the market. The motor was actually made by Hacker and I still race it to this day with no loss in performance whatsoever. It's an 8 turn motor, but probably actually slower than a sensored 13.5 when used with a boost-equipped speed control, simply because of the effect that timing increase has.

I really like the TBLE-02S controllers. Currently I'm getting ready to test them on a couple of cars, one with an 11.5T motor. I bought a couple of micro fans dirt cheap on Ebay that can be plugged in to a spare receiver port, we'll see how mush difference that makes. My other TBLE ESC runs in my Wild One, with a 13.5 Speed Passion motor. This runs fine in off-road racing conditions with no fan. I'm happy - great value for such a cheap ESC.

[qatmix]

The esc can run down to a 9.5t brushless motor for onroad. Offroad will be 13.5t thats a std for most ESC's. We run the 13.5's in our DT03's with this esc (and lipo) for 20 mins and its fine.

[alfagta]

it does say in the manual that the 02s can take 10.5 off road too if the gearing is correct , , i would wager that it is on clay or hard dirt and not grass . with 13.5 and 19t pinion(equivalent of 19t, super stock in brushed terms) the 02s gets warm , the deciding factor is tyre type and surface being run on , with cell blocks on clay it will run 10.5 without much issue , 2wd on grass with spikes or pins 12t is the lowest mine would run a full pack , worth noting i run LiFepo4 , if you use lipo then things are gonna get hotter and motor wind will need further consideration .

[ChrisRx718]

Thinking of picking one of these up but baulked at the cost of a Tamiya BL motor @ £30.

Has anyone used one of these successfully with a different branded sensored BL motor?

[XV Pilot]

Indeed. I am running mine successfully with a £16 sensored 13.5t from Hobbyking.

[Roasty]

I think I'm going for a21.5 or a 17.5 in my wild willy

[qatmix]

yes any sensored motors of the allowed winds should work fine. Brushless is just the same as brushed all esc's and motors are interchangeable.