What's a Mk1 Vintage 58047 Hotshot NIB worth?

[kasparov]

Theres actually 3 TC members that have MK1 NIB Hotshots.

[matman]

This is why they are the holly grail !! & why people collect them .

This is why some don't build them , as they are the holly grail .

Some things are meant to be NIB ! , as you won't get that again

& they are harder to get NIB . Anyone can get a MK1 to restore <

Sort of , BUT to find NIB WELL NO!! . It's the best of the best , untouched .

[Mokei Kagaku]

I think the real holy grail of Hotshots is this one:

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=56174

[kasparov]

I think the real holy grail of Hotshots is this one:

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=56174

Unless Tamiya can verify that it indeed was a prototype I'd say that it's nothing special, and the result of someone imagination and restore.

[Mokei Kagaku]

Unless Tamiya can verify that it indeed was a prototype I'd say that it's nothing special, and the result of someone imagination and restore.

I understand what you mean, but there are many indications that this model is actually a pre-production sample. Foremost that many (or all?) of the red parts are actually molded in black and painted red (some even left black). Most of the red parts of the Hotshot have never been available in black or any other colour than red. Where would the owner get the black parts from unless they were Tamiya pre-production parts? To me, and surely a lot of other Tamiya enthusiasts virtually a proof that the car is actually a prototype or pre-production sample. Btw, the ball connectors are clearly not molded in black, but dyed, and a such not Tamiya regular production parts.

Also, the auction offered a lot more pics of the model and many of the parts were clearly not homemade, like for instance the "hex" driveshafts. Sure, not evidence that these unique parts necessarily originated from Tamiya, but at least an indication.

Also, in my humble opinion, the car has the "signature" of an original Tamiya pre-prod/prototype. I worked for a Tamiya country distributor for 17 years and have seen an Avante pre-production sample as well as a TA01 prototype and the way they were made/mocked up, had a strong resemblance of the Hotshot in question. The TA01 prototype had suspension arms and shock towers machined from engineering plastic, wheels made of something that resembled a ceramic and a 3-piece Celica body (main, front and rear bumper) that were clearly pulled from a different mold than the actual production Celica body. We were actually allowed to keep the TA01 prototype, but at that time, it didn't seem much significant to any of us and I didn't even attempt to get it when I left in 2000. The company has since folded, and I don't know where the TA01 ended up, and I deeply regret not trying to get it.

[Wez-li]

Some things are meant to be NIB ! , as you won't get that again

Nothing is "meant to be NIB" mate, that's why they put build instructions in with the kit

[Wandy]

Theres actually 3 TC members that have MK1 NIB Hotshots.

Who is the third?

[Wandy]

I think the real holy grail of Hotshots is this one:

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=56174

That example now belongs to gordb, and I posted a link to it in my earlier post... http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=114140&id=9880

Without a doubt it is a prototype...that looks to have had some production parts fitted at a later date, ie Supershot MSC etc.

[Mokei Kagaku]

Btw, talking about early vs. late production versions of Tamiya kits, here's a bit of information about initial vs. late production 5838/58038 Subaru Brat:

https://www.facebook.com/mokeikagaku/posts/619664714827135

[matman]

Nothing is "meant to be NIB" mate, that's why they put build instructions in with the kit

Not talking about then , I'm talking about NOW!!! <<< as that is what makes them unique today .

[gordb]

Unless Tamiya can verify that it indeed was a prototype I'd say that it's nothing special, and the result of someone imagination and restore.

I was skeptical myself ... until I looked at the Tamiya guidebook photos more closely and saw it was the same car (or at very least, the same mix of parts).

I should get around to taking some better photos - but from memory if you read through the comments in the showroom entry, it lists some of the bits that match the guidebook photos (if you look closely, the "action shots" in the guidebook aren't using production cars - they have the e-clip pins on the wishbones, the different suspension stabilisers, different rollcage, the ad-hoc suspension parts, etc).

[Mokei Kagaku]

I just searched through my scans of old Tamiya News leaflets, and found the original first presentation of the Hotshot in issue no. 164, April 1985. The model pictured on page 14/15 have striking (non-production spec.) similarities with Gordb's model, like:

1. Light coloured GRP-parts.

2. Screws used for front damper mounting to suspension arms.

3. E-clips on hinge pins.

4. Black springs.

5. Simple design of the swaybar ballends.

6. ?

[kasparov]

Who is the third?

The 3rd with a nib mk1 is bcollection and andy I think you actually made a comment in hus showcase regarding the mk1. Its in amazing condition too.

[Wandy]

I just searched through my scans of old Tamiya News leaflets, and found the original first presentation of the Hotshot in issue no. 164, April 1985. The model pictured on page 14/15 have striking (non-production spec.) similarities with Gordb's model, like:

1. Light coloured GRP-parts.

2. Screws used for front damper mounting to suspension arms.

3. E-clips on hinge pins.

4. Black springs.

5. Simple design of the swaybar ballends.

6. ?

It probably has the hybrid hex/dog bone driveshafts fitted too.

[Cplus]

I'll just leave this here......

Zoom in and see what you can also pick out

[zomboided]

Zoom in and see what you can also pick out

Some sand. And some pimpy gold wheels. But I'm not 100% following this thread as I have a re-re

[kontemax]

The e clips on the suspension arms were the right choice. Shame on Tamiya that made a downgrade to arms breaking screws.

This is probably a pre production prototype model.

Max

I just searched through my scans of old Tamiya News leaflets, and found the original first presentation of the Hotshot in issue no. 164, April 1985. The model pictured on page 14/15 have striking (non-production spec.) similarities with Gordb's model, like:

1. Light coloured GRP-parts.

2. Screws used for front damper mounting to suspension arms.

3. E-clips on hinge pins.

4. Black springs.

5. Simple design of the swaybar ballends.

6. ?

[Quandry]

That's a very nice illustration Mokei - thanks for the great share!

[Wandy]

I'll just leave this here......

Zoom in and see what you can also pick out

I never get tired of looking at those original snapshots from the promo video. Instantly takes me back to standing in my local Beatties store in the summer of 1985, starry eyed.

[Wandy]

The 3rd with a nib mk1 is bcollection and andy I think you actually made a comment in hus showcase regarding the mk1. Its in amazing condition too.

Doh. Yeah I forgot about the one that bcollection has managed to find and yes, I even commented on it, lol. I've edited my original post to include this one.

It's in really good condition too, although not quite to the same level as Rosey's.

[TamTom]

Btw, talking about early vs. late production versions of Tamiya kits, here's a bit of information about initial vs. late production 5838/58038 Subaru Brat:

https://www.facebook.com/mokeikagaku/posts/619664714827135

Yes, that is another example of Mk1 and Mk2's. And I do have such a new build MK1 Brat with perid correct radio, black sprint motor and special cloth cover made exclusively for the brat that have been displayed at a Subaru seller in the US.

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=119239&sid=108

[TamTom]

I would have paid you 400 pounds Dave, thought you sold that.

It was me who bought the said Hotshot from DaveB ;-)

[kasparov]

It was me who bought the said Hotshot from DaveB ;-)

If I knew he was selling it that cheap would have jumped at it, I asked him for the price a while back but he said make an offer which then puts me in a place where I have no idea what hes after.

Good on you.

[TamTom]

As Wandy already said basically all regarding Mk1's.... I am not as lucky as the other three guys who can call a NIB Mk1 their own but, I can call 5 lightly used Mk1's my own :-) I was lucky enough to get 3 of the 5 Mk1's within one month. Except one purchase, all owners did not know what they were selling. The one seller who knew about the rarity had put it on ebay as an auction. Most other bidders were not aware the value of an Mk1 and so also this one was a nice shot.

Here are my 5 Mk1's. 3 of them still need some cleaning and will get a new vintage sody Shell to complete the "restoration".

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img108_27102014170723_3.jpg

And before I got the 5th Mk1...

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/pictureframe.asp?t=n&id=img108_06092014210926_1.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/pictureframe.asp?t=n&id=img108_06092014210926_2.jpg

[kasparov]

As Wandy already said basically all regarding Mk1's.... I am not as lucky as the other three guys who can call a NIB Mk1 their own but, I can call 5 lightly used Mk1's my own :-) I was lucky enough to get 3 of the 5 Mk1's within one month. Except one purchase, all owners did not know what they were selling. The one seller who knew about the rarity had put it on ebay as an auction. Most other bidders were not aware the value of an Mk1 and so also this one was a nice shot.

Here are my 5 Mk1's. 3 of them still need some cleaning and will get a new vintage sody Shell to complete the "restoration".

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img108_27102014170723_3.jpg

And before I got the 5th Mk1...

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/pictureframe.asp?t=n&id=img108_06092014210926_1.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/pictureframe.asp?t=n&id=img108_06092014210926_2.jpg

Good lord do you need all those Mk1's? )

Why not sell me one?