After a new brushless esc

[TeaMonster]

May of spoke to soon, just turned on the esc and the led is flashing green and beeping? Any ideas?

[Jonathon Gillham]

That would be safest. Its like the TBLE-02S, specs suggest it can handle more than a silvercan.

Haven't finished soldering mine yet, frustrating night getting halfway through last night.

[TeaMonster]

2 hours ago, TeaMonster said:

May of spoke to soon, just turned on the esc and the led is flashing green and beeping? Any ideas?

Working ok again now, sensor wire issue

[TeaMonster]

43 minutes ago, Jonathon Gillham said:

That would be safest. Its like the TBLE-02S, specs suggest it can handle more than a silvercan.

Haven't finished soldering mine yet, frustrating night getting halfway through last night.

Hooking my 80a up in my Schumacher with a 10.5t speed passion I have coming. 

[Jonathon Gillham]

Another question that came up last night with a mate. We both have TT02B buggies and are trying to match them so we can have a bit of unofficial racing fun. The trackstar 13.5T is the motor of choice. I want to run the 80a trackstar turbo in that car rather than the TBLE-02S thats in his as my TBLE's will go into the rereleases which I are only occassional runners. If I run in blinky mode will they be matched, or will the 80a esc give me an advantage?

[TeaMonster]

8 hours ago, Jonathon Gillham said:

Another question that came up last night with a mate. We both have TT02B buggies and are trying to match them so we can have a bit of unofficial racing fun. The trackstar 13.5T is the motor of choice. I want to run the 80a trackstar turbo in that car rather than the TBLE-02S thats in his as my TBLE's will go into the rereleases which I are only occassional runners. If I run in blinky mode will they be matched, or will the 80a esc give me an advantage?

There will be a difference, I ran my frog that I am setting up for the speed challenge with the TBLE and then swapped over to the trackstar and the difference between the two was noticeable. The trackstar was in blinky mode, it seemed to deliver the power a lot smoother. I would like to see a side to side comparison. Have you adjusted the boost and turbo timing settings yet?

[Jonathon Gillham]

16 minutes ago, TeaMonster said:

There will be a difference, I ran my frog that I am setting up for the speed challenge with the TBLE and then swapped over to the trackstar and the difference between the two was noticeable. The trackstar was in blinky mode, it seemed to deliver the power a lot smoother. I would like to see a side to side comparison. Have you adjusted the boost and turbo timing settings yet?

Thanks, i was worried that may be the case. I haven't run it yet, haven't quite finished soldering, will finish tonight and have a play tomorrow. BTW in New Zealand so its night now...

 

Not really looking forward to it as i have new sanwa mt4s which i need to work put at the same time which i bought second hand and it has the previous owners models in it still. I expect a lot of frustration before it works.

 

I want the trackstar esc in this car too as its the basher which i don't mind abusing, i'm not keen on it in the rere or my sons. 

[TeaMonster]

47 minutes ago, Jonathon Gillham said:

Thanks, i was worried that may be the case. I haven't run it yet, haven't quite finished soldering, will finish tonight and have a play tomorrow. BTW in New Zealand so its night now...

 

Not really looking forward to it as i have new sanwa mt4s which i need to work put at the same time which i bought second hand and it has the previous owners models in it still. I expect a lot of frustration before it works.

 

I want the trackstar esc in this car too as its the basher which i don't mind abusing, i'm not keen on it in the rere or my sons. 

I use a Sanwa MX-V transmitter with a rx37w receiver and had no issues. My 80a  is turning up today so will have that installed this week. Be good to see the options in comparison with the 120a

 

[Jonathon Gillham]

So it works! Well one of them, and that was on a mates cheap hobbkyking tx and rx...but still, i know it works, i saw it.

Unfortunately i soldered up the wrong plugs, sort of. I bought a triangle xt60 3 plug thing for one 17.5T and esc but then bullets for the other combo so i could swap between the 13.5T which already has bullets, and of course i soldered the 3 way plug so i can't try it on the 13.5T motor. Oh well, will have to wait a week or so try the other one...

[TeaMonster]

At least you have seen it working, hopefully a quick fix.

[drcarlos]

I run Hobbyking X-car 60Amp speedos with 8.5T Trackstar motors in 3 cars and they all work fine. I would suggest that speedo should be good down to some real low turn motors. I always go on the max amps that speedo can work with as each manufacturer should test their motor at full speed and see what it draws at this load. Turns will vary from maker to maker depending on wire used and other variables so won't be consistent. Although my method does assume they have tested and not estimated, but should be enough for a warranty claim should the speedo fail.

Carl.

[Jonathon Gillham]

Thanks drcarlos, I thought that would be the case as it makes much more sense to work on something measurable like amps than turns. The lowest turn motor I have is 13.5T at the moment, and while the esc are new I will be a bit precious with them but in a month or so I won't have the same concerns I'm sure! 

I'm hoping the programmable esc will make the cars faster than I want them as the 13.5T motor on thr TBLE-02S is plenty fast enough in my backyard. Today will be the test though with the new esc.

 

2nd test against Sth Africa starts tomorrow, my wife is out of town, I'm thinking best day ever building a Boomerang with the test on. Wait, that would take ner top spot right, up there with weddings, birth of son...

[MAD RACER]

The trackstar Turbo 80a is only rated to a 10.5T

In saying that I run 8.5T motors in 2wd and stadium truck with no problems.  I dare say running in a 4wd or a on road car this will be to much especially once some Turbo & Boost is dialled in as this really ups the amp draw. Again this depends on how hard you are gearing the motors for performance. My 8.5T goes about like a 6.5t with aggressive gearing and timing tuned in.

I have a BSR 4wd pro which came with a Turbo 80A and a 10.5t combo from hobbyking and with some Boost & Turbo timing it goes as hard as 8.5T but I feel I'm on the limit of the ESC.  My 22/4 has a 120A turbo with a 6.5T motor and is just nuts.

[Jonathon Gillham]

Thanks Mad Racer.

So inital impression is the esc is pretty good. With boost and turbo at the halfway point the 17.5T perform roughly the same as the 13.5T with thr TBLE- 02S which is promising. Timing is set the same on both motors too. I don't have any way to measure how hard everything is working so will leave it at that for now, until I have a chance to visit my electrical engineer friend with all sorts of gadgets. Decent combo for USD75 or so

[TeaMonster]

20 hours ago, MAD RACER said:

The trackstar Turbo 80a is only rated to a 10.5T

In saying that I run 8.5T motors in 2wd and stadium truck with no problems.  I dare say running in a 4wd or a on road car this will be to much especially once some Turbo & Boost is dialled in as this really ups the amp draw. Again this depends on how hard you are gearing the motors for performance. My 8.5T goes about like a 6.5t with aggressive gearing and timing tuned in.

I have a BSR 4wd pro which came with a Turbo 80A and a 10.5t combo from hobbyking and with some Boost & Turbo timing it goes as hard as 8.5T but I feel I'm on the limit of the ESC.  My 22/4 has a 120A turbo with a 6.5T motor and is just nuts.

[TeaMonster]

I have installed the 80a and 10.5t into my Cougar, it's all calibrated and ready for tweaking once I get some tyres

[TeaMonster]

2 minutes ago, TeaMonster said:

20 hours ago, MAD RACER said:

The trackstar Turbo 80a is only rated to a 10.5T

In saying that I run 8.5T motors in 2wd and stadium truck with no problems.  I dare say running in a 4wd or a on road car this will be to much especially once some Turbo & Boost is dialled in as this really ups the amp draw. Again this depends on how hard you are gearing the motors for performance. My 8.5T goes about like a 6.5t with aggressive gearing and timing tuned in.

I have a BSR 4wd pro which came with a Turbo 80A and a 10.5t combo from hobbyking and with some Boost & Turbo timing it goes as hard as 8.5T but I feel I'm on the limit of the ESC.  My 22/4 has a 120A turbo with a 6.5T motor and is just nuts.

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[Jonathon Gillham]

Teamonster, the Cougar is Schumachers serious racer right? So is this your proper racecar? I'm really interested to hear your views of the 80a esc as I don't have anything to compare it with.

I won't have my other esc running for a week or so I think so will have to wait to try it with the 13.5T

[TeaMonster]

Hello Jonathon,

Yes it's the Schumacher cougar KR, these are really good cars in both build quality and performance. Hopefully the tyres will turn up this weekend then it's fit, balance, glue them and ready to run. Once I have the esc dialled in, I will let you know how it performs. The 120a trackstar is going in my other Schumacher I just bought

Did you get yours calibrated ok? I thought the lack of instructions was a bit poor

[Jonathon Gillham]

I also found the lack of instructions a pain, and very little available online as well. The program box was very straightforward though, and I've got it setup pretty well. Everything is at the mid point, I want to wait til I go to a mates house who is an electrical engineer and has the toys to test the impact on changes. I will push it to its limits but when I can test the impact of the changes. Like i said before though, a 17.tT motor performing like a 13.5T is a win in my books!

I'm going racing after a 20 year break hence the interest in the Schumacher. I have everything I need now except the cars, and that is because we are trying to move out of Auckland to a nice small town in Northland, which means I need to know what the local club runs before I buy a racecar. I want to race offroad though

[TeaMonster]

I like the Schumacher cars build quality is excellent, spares are easy to come by(I am in the UK) and when I have needed support it has always been good. Definitely best to see what other people at your club run before you decide and which brand is best supported for spares in your region. 

[Jonathon Gillham]

Teamonster, how do you find the Trackstar esc in your racecar? The reason I ask is I'm considering a Kyosho (*gasp*) roller secondhand for outdoor rcaing, which is 17.5T motors blinky. BUT the car comes with carpet tyres and 2 types of diffs so easy to convert to indoors, but indoor has an 8.5T motor limit, also blinky. So, as I'm new to racing I could run 10.5T and accept less speed but probably faster times since it will mean less (probably) time upside down or off the track. Or risk an esc and run 8.5T motor, which *should* be fine when looking at the current draw of the 8.5T 50amp v 105.t 45amp and the esc is rated to 80amp continuous. I say should be fine as they are from the same manufacturer so the testing regime so be similar, and not be running the risk of differences in testing. I could buy 3 motors (8.5, 10.5 and 21.5 to complete the set) for the price of the 120amp esc and 8.5T motor.

Off topic, but will a 10.5T motor in 8.5T class have much of a disadvantage for someone who can't drive (yet) and may never be any good?

[TeaMonster]

17 hours ago, Jonathon Gillham said:

Teamonster, how do you find the Trackstar esc in your racecar? The reason I ask is I'm considering a Kyosho (*gasp*) roller secondhand for outdoor rcaing, which is 17.5T motors blinky. BUT the car comes with carpet tyres and 2 types of diffs so easy to convert to indoors, but indoor has an 8.5T motor limit, also blinky. So, as I'm new to racing I could run 10.5T and accept less speed but probably faster times since it will mean less (probably) time upside down or off the track. Or risk an esc and run 8.5T motor, which *should* be fine when looking at the current draw of the 8.5T 50amp v 105.t 45amp and the esc is rated to 80amp continuous. I say should be fine as they are from the same manufacturer so the testing regime so be similar, and not be running the risk of differences in testing. I could buy 3 motors (8.5, 10.5 and 21.5 to complete the set) for the price of the 120amp esc and 8.5T motor.

Off topic, but will a 10.5T motor in 8.5T class have much of a disadvantage for someone who can't drive (yet) and may never be any good?

Hello Jonathon,

I have not had chance to really test it out properly yet due to time. I have had a few runs with the 80a and 10.5t no boost and found it to very good, I bumped both timings up to full and it was too quick. Had a couple of packs through it and temps were all good. Is it a 2 or 4wd kyosho? 8.5t maybe a bit much for a 2wd. The 120a was £20 more than the 80a but I have not installed this properly yet, I need to finish building my K1 but again time is the issue. It would be worth posting in the racing sub forum as they will be able to answer your questions better than me.

[Jonathon Gillham]

Its 4wd, the Lazer ZX6. Not the current model but the new one was just an update of this one, so no real difference for me and it comes with a bunch of extras which more than offsets the fact its 'old'. The 2wd class is 10.5T and 4wd is 8.5T at this club. They also run allcomers but rather than enter this in it I'm more inclined to take the Fox or Boomerang for a laugh. A mate has about 16 vintage or rere Tamiyas so he may join me in allcomers with the same model. Or I could run the TT02B but may as well go oldschool rather than try to keep up with others in a car that can't. I suspect the Boomerang will be faster than the TT02B anyway, better ground clearance for a start, should jump better.

[TeaMonster]

8 hours ago, Jonathon Gillham said:

Its 4wd, the Lazer ZX6. Not the current model but the new one was just an update of this one, so no real difference for me and it comes with a bunch of extras which more than offsets the fact its 'old'. The 2wd class is 10.5T and 4wd is 8.5T at this club. They also run allcomers but rather than enter this in it I'm more inclined to take the Fox or Boomerang for a laugh. A mate has about 16 vintage or rere Tamiyas so he may join me in allcomers with the same model. Or I could run the TT02B but may as well go oldschool rather than try to keep up with others in a car that can't. I suspect the Boomerang will be faster than the TT02B anyway, better ground clearance for a start, should jump better.

The all comers race sounds good, must be good seeing all the vintage cars doing what they do best as for the boomer against the TT02b, I think the TT02b would have the edge. Be good to read what racing you decide on and how you get on