Help with a 200mm HPI body on a TT-02

[Effigy3]

So, I have a buddy at work that I'm getting into the hobby.  I've put together a TT-02 kit for him from my spares reserves.  It'll be a mostly stock build.  The only hop-up currently are ball bearings.  He will need to buy a body for it since I don't have any spares on hand.  He's decided on an HPI Camaro.  It's 200mm though whereas the TT-02 is designed for 190mm bodies.  The HPI instructions state that if 6mm offset wheels are used, it will work on a 190mm TC chassis.  So my questions are:

• If we build the TT-02 to standard specs and use 6mm offset HPI wheels/tires will they work on the chassis?  Will they fill the wheel wells of the Camaro body properly?
• I included a set of medium narrow wheels and tires with this "bits box kit".  If we build it using the taller plastic hexes that come on the parts sprue which are intended to be used in the "wide" configuration, will that work?  Will the wheels/tires fill the wheel wells if we use the medium narrow wheels?  I'm thinking of using those taller hexes on all 4 corners.  Will that even work?
• Any other suggestions about using the HPI Camaro body on a TT-02?  Is there a better suited Camaro body that I should suggest he use instead of the HPI one?

[Mad Ax]

I'm a big fan of HPI's 200mm bodies because, for a change, you can get nice looking wheels underneath them without the tyres poking out.  Much as I love Tamiya's attention to detail in their shells, once you stick on a set of wheels with 0mm offset, they can look a bit lame.  A prime example is the Coppermix Sylvia - just compare the boxart to the finished model and see how awful those included wheels look.

You can use 6mm or even 10mm offset wheels to get the width you need.  The bonus is that 6 and 10mm wheels give the wheel a 'deep dish' effect that looks just right on a Camaro.

You can use the wider hexes that come with the TT02 but you might need longer stub axles to get the wheel nut on.  The downside with these is you're still fitting lame-looking 0mm offset wheels to a super-fat musclecar body.

HPI do a huge range of deep dish wheels.  Does he want the 2010 Camaro or the old '69 classic?  The 2010 looks great with HPI's range of 1.9mm touring wheels in a 6 or 10mm offset.  IMO, the '69 suits a more vintage style of wheel, but that's great because HPI do a range of Vintage wheels, which are available in a wide offset and with super-fat period-correct treaded tyres (note that standard touring tyres don't fit the Vintage rim series)

https://www.hpiracing.com/en/parts/105942/wheels-tyres#product_group_10TWV

 

[Granddad Stinky]

I couldn't resist this at £80.

I'm thinking of a raised truggy, not quite a monster truck, a 4WD Sand Scorcher thingy, or even a long suspension desert racing truggy whatsit!

I'd be interested in some more suggestions though. 😁😁

[Kingfisher]

2 hours ago, Granddad Stinky said:

I couldn't resist this at £80.

 

 

Psst!.... (whispers)... I think you meant to start a new thread and accidentally replied to someone elses. 

Edit: Now I get it. Thought you were asking suggestions about building the Scorcher. I need sleep. Sorry.

[Granddad Stinky]

🤦‍♂️

That's sausage fingers at work!

Is that in builds? I'll follow that with great interest.

[Granddad Stinky]

Oh right, ok, old guy moment. I'm in it. I think I'll have a nap! 😏😏

[Granddad Stinky]

I've caught up and stuck my brain in properly. I'll have a nose at these HPI bodies.

[Backlash]

I have the 200mm HPI Camaro body on my TB EVO3, and I am using the +10 offset "wide" Tamiya 2 piece wheels on the rear, and the +6 (I think) Tamiya 2 piece wheels on the front..

IIRC, the 200mm HPI Camaro body is actually 210mm wide in the rear..

https://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=49778&id=4672

[Mad Ax]

Tamiya's 2 piece wheels are indeed brilliant with HPI shells.  Plus they're reversible so you can play about with offset options to find out what works.

Having a selection of different offset wheels around is handy, if you get a new shell and you're not sure what fits you can try each until you find the best size, then go hunting around for the right style available in that size.

For example, I discovered last week that +3mm wheels fit really nice under Tamiya's Beams Integra shell, and get rid of that Mini Metro perched-precariously-on-top-of-its-wheels look

[Effigy3]

5 hours ago, Mad Ax said:

You can use 6mm or even 10mm offset wheels to get the width you need.  The bonus is that 6 and 10mm wheels give the wheel a 'deep dish' effect that looks just right on a Camaro.

So if I understand you correctly, we can build it to standard manual specs and use 6mm and 10mm wheels to get the proper look with the Camaro.

5 hours ago, Mad Ax said:

HPI do a huge range of deep dish wheels.  Does he want the 2010 Camaro or the old '69 classic?  The 2010 looks great with HPI's range of 1.9mm touring wheels in a 6 or 10mm offset.  IMO, the '69 suits a more vintage style of wheel, but that's great because HPI do a range of Vintage wheels, which are available in a wide offset and with super-fat period-correct treaded tyres (note that standard touring tyres don't fit the Vintage rim series)

https://www.hpiracing.com/en/parts/105942/wheels-tyres#product_group_10TWV

I'm actually not 100% sure if he wants the '69 or the 2010.  I am keen on the vintage style mags that HPI offers paired with the '69.  I converted the TEU-105 ESC over to a Deans connector for him last night.  I'll get more clarification from him about which year Camaro he is leaning towards when I give him the ESC.

1 hour ago, Backlash said:

I have the 200mm HPI Camaro body on my TB EVO3, and I am using the +10 offset "wide" Tamiya 2 piece wheels on the rear, and the +6 (I think) Tamiya 2 piece wheels on the front..

IIRC, the 200mm HPI Camaro body is actually 210mm wide in the rear..

So I guess then with this in mind we should use the 6mm offset on the front and 10mm offset on the rear?  I'm leaning towards suggesting he use the HPI wheels and tires on this build.

[Granddad Stinky]

I like the 70's style F-150.

I presume that it best to build the TT-02b as standard, then adapt it from there?

[Effigy3]

Turns out that he hasn't decided which year to get.  He's going to decide once the chassis is built.  I told him to just get both!

[Dojo Dave]

22 hours ago, Effigy3 said:

Turns out that he hasn't decided which year to get.  He's going to decide once the chassis is built.  I told him to just get both!

All my camaros are hpi. 68 one piece shells. The 69 is a 2 piece but more available. I use hpi vintage rims and tires. There are a classic and high performance look the classic has more tread. This is a df03ra with front posts on the bumper aThe 70 Nova is an rj speed body on a ta02t chassis with generic 10mm offset wheels pre glued from local hobby shop that were $20. Fills the arches well. Hpi you will get into nearly $50 in wheels and tires after a $40 shell. 

[Dojo Dave]

Sorry my point is the df03ra is a 190mm chsssis and with offset snd the correct wheel base you will be fine. Majority of my shells have sat on tt01 chassis which aren't much different 

[Dojo Dave]

2 hours ago, Granddad Stinky said:

I like the 70's style F-150.

I presume that it best to build the TT-02b as standard, then adapt it from there?

Yes. Order some touring car body posts so you van have a stable mounting system. I turned my Tl01 b into a f150 Raptor. Now its s 53 f100

[Country Mike]

10 hours ago, Mad Ax said:

Tamiya's 2 piece wheels are indeed brilliant with HPI shells.  Plus they're reversible so you can play about with offset options to find out what works.

Having a selection of different offset wheels around is handy, if you get a new shell and you're not sure what fits you can try each until you find the best size, then go hunting around for the right style available in that size.

For example, I discovered last week that +3mm wheels fit really nice under Tamiya's Beams Integra shell, and get rid of that Mini Metro perched-precariously-on-top-of-its-wheels look

I had a few of these and they handled ace when about flat. I miss my mg one

[Granddad Stinky]

6 hours ago, Dojo Dave said:

Yes. Order some touring car body posts so you van have a stable mounting system. I turned my Tl01 b into a f150 Raptor. Now its s 53 f100

Ok, thanks for that. I did like the stepside body as well. I don't mind wheels poking out but I don't understand the full truggy bit, where the wheel arches go down behind the wheels.

[Mad Ax]

18 hours ago, Effigy3 said:

So if I understand you correctly, we can build it to standard manual specs and use 6mm and 10mm wheels to get the proper look with the Camaro.

Yes, that's correct - build it as per normal, and the wider wheels will fill the arch gap for that proper musclecar look

[Granddad Stinky]

I've found the A pack of spares..

https://www.modelsport.co.uk/tamiya-parts-bag-a-df-02/rc-car-products/26642

but I can't find anywhere that sells the casings. Grrr.

[Kingfisher]

4 hours ago, Granddad Stinky said:

I've found the A pack of spares..

https://www.modelsport.co.uk/tamiya-parts-bag-a-df-02/rc-car-products/26642

but I can't find anywhere that sells the casings. Grrr.

That link shows to be on backorder. Is this the gear you're looking for?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tamiya-58328-Gravel-Hound-Rising-Storm-DF-02-5455040-1545040-Bevel-Pinion-Gear-/292096987052?hash=item4402564fac

or the whole bag:

http://www.fusionhobbies.com/product/9400152-tamiya-metal-parts-bag-a-for-df-02

[Granddad Stinky]

8 minutes ago, Kingfisher said:

That link shows to be on backorder. Is this the gear you're looking for?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tamiya-58328-Gravel-Hound-Rising-Storm-DF-02-5455040-1545040-Bevel-Pinion-Gear-/292096987052?hash=item4402564fac

or the whole bag:

http://www.fusionhobbies.com/product/9400152-tamiya-metal-parts-bag-a-for-df-02

The Fusion link has no picture.

I must have had the last bag from ModelSport. This is a screenshot of what I bought.

Will this lot fit in the TT02B diff casings or do I need anything extra? This was a good deal, especially with a pinion in the bag.

[Kingfisher]

5 hours ago, Granddad Stinky said:

The Fusion link has no picture.

I must have had the last bag from ModelSport. This is a screenshot of what I bought.

 

Will this lot fit in the TT02B diff casings or do I need anything extra? This was a good deal, especially with a pinion in the bag.

That's it. Following the info in this thread, it should fit.

I put a YeahRacing diff lock in the rear of mine, so I only used the ring gear and the driveshaft pinion. The issue people were having was from weight transfer, I built my front diff with the supplied plastic parts from the Scorcher. No issues so far, but I have only ran it twice. 

 

---Sorry for the thread hijack Effigy. I know this was about putting a body on a TT02. Just helping ol' Granddad out.

[Granddad Stinky]

54 minutes ago, Kingfisher said:

That's it. Following the info in this thread, it should fit.

I put a YeahRacing diff lock in the rear of mine, so I only used the ring gear and the driveshaft pinion. The issue people were having was from weight transfer, I built my front diff with the supplied plastic parts from the Scorcher. No issues so far, but I have only ran it twice. 

 

---Sorry for the thread hijack Effigy. I know this was about putting a body on a TT02. Just helping ol' Granddad out.

SWEET!!!!

So I've got the bearings and bag of bits ordered. (Reminds me of my 1st wife. 🤔🤔😲)

I mocked the chassis up this evening. Nothing too tight, with the plastic bushes and no fluids.

I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised by it. With all the play in the standard bits, I've nick-named it Mr Floppy. It does however seem to be quite a bruiser of a car. I could see it guarding the door of a London nightclub. I think making this work properly rather than re-enforcing the Df is the way to go.

 

BACK ON TOPIC, now I'm up to speed.

I've got quite a few spare long body mounts from my DT-03 and Holiday Buggy. I'll put some of those on and have look at some bodies. I fancy something early, 1960's - 70's might even look at stepsides. If that fails, I can make some ally tube mounts with the magnetic mounts.

I'd like it to look rough, like some ol' hillbilly has been using it for 50 years, now his son has it and has built an off-road 'sleeper'. Ahhh, glory days. I better drag the air brush and do some practicing.

G'night y'all.

[Kingfisher]

1 hour ago, Granddad Stinky said:

SWEET!!!!

So I've got the bearings and bag of bits ordered. (Reminds me of my 1st wife. 🤔🤔😲)

I mocked the chassis up this evening. Nothing too tight, with the plastic bushes and no fluids.

I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised by it. With all the play in the standard bits, I've nick-named it Mr Floppy. It does however seem to be quite a bruiser of a car. I could see it guarding the door of a London nightclub. I think making this work properly rather than re-enforcing the Df is the way to go.

 

BACK ON TOPIC, now I'm up to speed.

I've got quite a few spare long body mounts from my DT-03 and Holiday Buggy. I'll put some of those on and have look at some bodies. I fancy something early, 1960's - 70's might even look at stepsides. If that fails, I can make some ally tube mounts with the magnetic mounts.

I'd like it to look rough, like some ol' hillbilly has been using it for 50 years, now his son has it and has built an off-road 'sleeper'. Ahhh, glory days. I better drag the air brush and do some practicing.

G'night y'all.

You going to keep the plastic bushings? I would go with bearings. Also, when you finish building it, set the Holiday Buggy body on top just to see. They share the same wheelbase, and it looks awesome.

[Granddad Stinky]

No, just mocked up with them. Rubber sealed bearings are in the post.

I'll have look at the Buggy fit, I've seen a Sand Rover on Land Rover 4x4. I'm interested to see what Effigy comes up with.