Hornet /Scorcher wheels

[Stevenchat2000]

Hi I see the tyres are easliy available now for the Hornet.

I know the front tyres are the same as Scorcher but are the wheels the same ?? and what about the rear wheels ??

Cheers

Steven

[cant_get_right2005]

hello..the rims are the same front and rear........the front tires are the same.....

the rear tires arent the same.the scorcher came with paddle type tires like the grasshopper has.....

[Stevenchat2000]

Good news thanks []

[rroodd]

and if you wait for just a few more weeks, you might find an abundance of the rear Paddle-tracks as spares, too.......[]

[Twmaster]

quote:Originally posted by rroodd

and if you wait for just a few more weeks, you might find an abundance of the rear Paddle-tracks as spares, too.......[]

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Ugh. I hope not. I personally think it is silly of Tamiya to re-release old model kits. [V]

Also to add to the above the Hornet uses the same rear tires as the Super Champ and Frog.

[Mervyn]

I on the other hand an elated that tamiya has done some re-release kits. I think the re-release xr 311 is an improvement over the original. The new hornet is also very sweet and as I just built mine yesterday,am still beaming. It was like I turned the clock back 20 years,thats not a bad thing. I ended up building it with some rare/vintage hop ups just like the one I had back when they were brand new. For me-a real pleasure

[mikea96]

So rrodd are they releasing another kit too or just the paddle tires.

[rroodd]

not just the tyres........[]

[stulec52]

I agree with Mike on this.

What's the point in having a vintage and collectable kit if the manufacturer is simply going to release them again??

If it keeps going there won't be any point in having a cool old kit, you might as well sell them all now and buy the re-releases as they come out.

And I am not speaking from a value stand point, I enjoy the hunt, the challenge of finding an old car tucked away in a loft somewhere, or in the back of some model shop.

What's going to happen the next time someone says hey I got this original Hornet, still unbuilt in the box?? nah buddy, that's ok I can get one brand new at the local model shop for a lot less.

I can't see full size car manufacturers doing this.

Also, rrood, if you know something, why not spill it rather than the cryptic []

[mikea96]

I like the idea of re-releasing the old kits then we can use them without having to worry about breaking a part and not being able to fix them. And rrood if you know something please tell.[]

[Mervyn]

Well I like the old nib kits as well,and you know they will always hold there value to collectors. But rather than destroy a nib kit, build a re release and have some fun building and running it. You can relive the "old days" when things were much simpler and life had less things going on. Also to have never built and driven some of these old cars,is really missing out.They were and are such fun. I'm pretty sure the re-release xr 311 hasn't hurt the original much.There is only 1 original. I'm sure the hornet re-release won't do much to the original kits value as well. And soon enough the re-release will stop production.

[stulec52]

Mervyn,

I absolutley disagree that the re-issued Hornet won't effect the value of the old kit.

Why would anyone in their right mind pay $80 for a used example now when for $10 more they can buy brand new??

Maybe this will get more people interested in the oldies though, and that in the long term might prove good for all of us, I just don't see it though. What I can see is me selling out if this trend carries on.

[cant_get_right2005]

im personally glad..i hope they release all the old kits....

everything i have bought then sold for one reason are another

i have lost money on.....

two years ago prices for the old stuff was much higher...

i do enjoy this hobby alot..but my thinking has always been

this is a example....if i pay 100 dollars for that set of subaru rims and tires....im sure i can get my money back if i need to sell them later....but it doesnt work out that way for me......anyways

i still enjoy the hobby.and think its the coolest thing for tamiya to rerelease the hornet..[:I]

[DJTheo]

I also appreciate the re-releases as they give also non-millionaires like most of us the possibility to built and run the vintage NIB kits from our youth, you can't top that feeling, like this Xmas building again a NIB Hornet [8D].

I don't care much about values, despite most of us collectors having "lost" quite some money with the re-releases, in the end this hobby is about the fun and joy and as always said a bad investment. Anyway, no need to worry, Tamiya will only re-release a fraction of the old cars, only few special and very popular ones, as for the rest it wouldn't pay to them.

Cheers

[J3cubfan]

I think that Theo hit the nail on the head. These are not investment instruments. If you think that dropping $2000 on a NIB Tamiya Sand Rough Champ Ranger is going to yield you a nice little nest egg think again. Invest elsewhere. I personally like finding the old ones and restoring them. If I get tired of them, I sell them and what I make from them funds my next restoration project. Although, I kinda like the idea of building something NIB. BTW, my guess is that they will be re-releasing the Grasshopper. Paddle Track tires, smoothies already released. Same chassis as the hornet, it would make perfect sense to me. BTW, Its a hobby enjoy it...

[Stefan(2)]

my turn

The more re-relaises, the better. ( in my humble opinion ofcourse)

If they would start all over again with 58001, and re-relaise them all. I send mr tamiya some flowers myself!

vallue? nehh, like to play to mutch. And, i want them both

I know, thinking mr tamiya in all his indefinet wisdome will re-relaise a bruiser is wishfull thinking and a wet dream what will stay that way

But, if we mortals can get our hands on cars we otherwise would/could not buy due price or being rare

By buying the re-relaise? Yessss! bring it on mr tamiya!

Imho, if your in it for the cash,

You better off buying stamps or gold.. stuff like that.

Way better investment, and if in the case of stamps, your house does

not burn to the ground mutch safer and easy to store

If you have a NIB org. hornet, just buy a re-relaise so you can bash it without thinking... " that has costed me......"

And leave the original on the shelf

Stefan

[Stevenchat2000]

I agree it would take away the frill of finding that untouched nib scorcher hidden up in some ones attic for £50[}]

Ive got about 3000 grands worth but , im still up for the Re-releases, please remake them all ????[^]

[cant_get_right2005]

hello.i agree its a hobby enjoy it.........but when you fix up a old kit and for some reason might have to sell it...your going to have a price in mind that you want to get for it....and when you find out nobody wants to even give you half of what you have put into it....it kinda sucks......

all of you that think its not a investment..remember that when time for you to sell your kits

happy new years to all

[TamiyaMan]

RROOD - Which kit is it that they are re-releasing?

Are you saying the 58043 Grasshopper??

[Mervyn]

Yes,do this "tamiya thing" because you love and enjoy it. Never do it because you think it has investment potential. If you pay big money for a nib kit-thats fine.Enjoy it for what it is and how much you appreciate it. If its only worth half of what you paid for it years later-so what? You bought and enjoyed it-thats what matters. If your looking for an investment-see your financial planner. I have passions other than tamiya,same deal.I spend lots,and get very little in return,other than the satisfaction of ownership and/or useage. Enjoy life to its fullest-if it costs you money along the way-so be it!

[PTV70R]

I agree with most of the comments here, this is a hobby to be enjoyed, however I do think that the re-release cars should have some slight differences introduced to ensure that the original and re-release can be identified. E.G. the XR311 was altered and the body shell has the date 2000 moulded in it - also the tyres no longer have 'GoodYear' on them. The new hornet has a slightly different chassis so this can be identified, but the wheels and front tyres are identical to the originals - this will effect the market price for Scorcher ones. Whilst I was not looking to make an investment I have paid good money for a number of NIB scorchers wheels / tyres for my resto's I am currently working on - If I had waited I could have saved a lot of money so whilst it is great to be able to build 'old' kits like this again I do feel a little miffed.

We need to remember that some people are 'runners' whilst others may be pure collectors - these collectors will account for a fair amount of Tamiyas' buisness - if their hobby (collecting) is undermined by re-release's they may loose faith and stop collecting altogether.

Re-releases must effect the price of originals, for example what would you pay for a new built Sand Scorcher with box and instructions ? £400 plus is likely, now compare that to the XR311 - I recently bought an almost new built example with box and instructions for £60 and was the only bidder. I suspect that this would not be the case if it were not for the re-release.

Imagine what would happen to stamp collecting if the post office thought, hey old stamps sell for good money lets reprint them staring with the penny black ?

Overall I am in favour of re-releases but with some limitations to protect the market for original's.