Tamiya 58655 - Citroën 2CV Charleston (M-05)

[Losi XXT-CR]

Quite liking the look of that. More of a shelf Queen maybe though. Not sure it’s feel right bashing it about at full tilt. 

[nowinaminute]

I quite like it but I think I'd prefer it on the MF-01X chassis so it could do some light dirt off roading too, I like to have a little versatility. I think if anything I'd buy the shell and use it as a second outfit for an MF.

I think it looks pretty good for lexan though. It reminds me a lot of that little monster truck Thunder tiger made a few years ago:

[Granddad Stinky]

10 hours ago, TWINSET said:

Courtesy of Mokei Kagaku

 

Want one. With the flowers on. 😁

[waterbok]

So next up a DS with adjustable dampers, please, please.

[iluvmud]

wonder how many hits it will take to knock off those bumperets

[StrokerBoy]

That looks amazingly well done.

Not for me though, I was once offered a ride home in a 2CV and chose to walk in the rain instead.

[IBIFTKH]

Despite @Grastensenthusiasm, not for me either.

My only enjoyable experience with a 2CV was watching a badly-parked one (parked across a sloping embankment) gradually lose its battle with gravity and topple onto its side.

[Granddad Stinky]

The only vehicle with a negative NCAP rating. 😂

[Fuijo]

56 minutes ago, StrokerBoy said:

Not for me though, I was once offered a ride home in a 2CV and chose to walk in the rain instead

Ha ha! Seriously?

I can understand not wanting to get in a blingy white modern car driven by an orange person, but a mint classic 2CV? Kristin Scott Thomas would definitely not mind getting into one of those.

 

[wildwillhappy]

just found this, hope you like, 

You could test your best colour schemes 

JAMES-BOND-2CV.pdf

[Granddad Stinky]

7 minutes ago, Fuijo said:

Ha ha! Seriously?

I can understand not wanting to get in a blingy white modern car driven by an orange person, but a mint classic 2CV? Kristin Scott Thomas would definitely not mind getting into one of those.

 

I doubt she’d do that. The 2CV was one of the worst cars of all time for pollution.

Size for size, a Bentley produces less toxins.

 

[Fuijo]

1 hour ago, Granddad Stinky said:

I doubt she’d do that. The 2CV was one of the worst cars of all time for pollution.

Size for size, a Bentley produces less toxins.

Didn't you watch top gear? It was their test for cool cars. With the 2CV it would be more about chic than toxins.

Besides, after the VW scandal, toxin figures should probably be taken with a pinch of salt.

[IoWBasher]

When I was a young man (30ish years ago) my friend had a 2CV and we had a blast in it, try as we might we couldn't roll it, although it felt it would at normal driving speeds. We also used to share control at times with him doing the pedals and me the gears and steering 

Another friend had a Morris Minor that I learnt how to drift in, with it's skinny tyres and damp roads drifting around roundabouts at 20Mph was much fun.

I've got the wooden 2CV I posted earlier in the thread and I'm planning on building a Woody 2CV on an M03 chassis.

 

 

[OCD]

I'm sort of surprised by all of the hate the 2cv gets around here

But then again, we never had these offered in the U.S. market either. Maybe a case of being intrigued by that which I cannot have? 

 

Conceptually speaking, they are excellent (if not entirely unique) examples of design and engineering -- Which is to say that I think it makes complete sense that Tamiya selected this for a new entry into the RC line-up. The M-Chassis line practically exists for models like the 2cv. As someone else mentioned a page back, "it’s great Tamiya are releasing the 2CV, we already have the Beetle, mini and Fiat 500. Now the ‘people’s car’ lineup is complete." My thoughts exactly!

3 hours ago, IoWBasher said:

When I was a young man (30ish years ago) my friend had a 2CV and we had a blast in it, try as we might we couldn't roll it, although it felt it would at normal driving speeds.

 

 

[Losi XXT-CR]

7 hours ago, Granddad Stinky said:

I doubt she’d do that. The 2CV was one of the worst cars of all time for pollution.

Size for size, a Bentley produces less toxins.

 

Sorry but that is nonsense. A same era 6.75 litre V8 Bentley will burn way more fuel than a 2CV and produce proportionally more emissions. 

[Kingfisher]

20 minutes ago, OCD said:

 

But then again, we never had these offered in the U.S. market either. Maybe a case of being intrigued by that which I cannot have? 

I've seen one in real life, and liked that it was a small unique looking car compared to what we have here. I'm a fan of small weird/strange/extraordinary cars, so I like it. Maybe we can get a Renault Dauphine next, or better yet, a Reliant Robin based on the new Dancing Rider chassis. 

[Losi XXT-CR]

10 minutes ago, Kingfisher said:

I've seen one in real life, and liked that it was a small unique looking car compared to what we have here. I'm a fan of small weird/strange/extraordinary cars, so I like it. Maybe we can get a Renault Dauphine next, or better yet, a Reliant Robin based on the new Dancing Rider chassis. 

Personally I like them. But at one point they would have just been a budget compact car. And very slow. Which kind of made them uncool. 

But the reality is, they have very interesting suspension and ethos behind what they were designed for. If you can look past the lack of speed they are actually hugely entertaining but in completely different ways. 

[Ronnyhotdog]

22 hours ago, waterbok said:

So next up a DS with adjustable dampers, please, please.

Fully working automatic hydraulic  system, please.

[Grastens]

8 hours ago, IBIFTKH said:

Despite @Grastensenthusiasm, not for me either.

My only enjoyable experience with a 2CV was watching a badly-parked one (parked across a sloping embankment) gradually lose its battle with gravity and topple onto its side.

Heck, the only reason I thought about you was because I saw one with a few inches chopped from its wheelbase  If I worked in the film industry, clearly I would be typecasting!

1 hour ago, OCD said:

I'm sort of surprised by all of the hate the 2cv gets around here

...

Conceptually speaking, they are excellent (if not entirely unique) examples of design and engineering -- Which is to say that I think it makes complete sense that Tamiya selected this for a new entry into the RC line-up. The M-Chassis line practically exists for models like the 2cv. As someone else mentioned a page back, "it’s great Tamiya are releasing the 2CV, we already have the Beetle, mini and Fiat 500. Now the ‘people’s car’ lineup is complete." My thoughts exactly!

It is by today's standards a quirky-looking car with quirky handling, and few of us were old enough to remember the first 2CVs, so on the face of it I can see why it is so divisive. By the time we had experiences with it, there were many far-better cars available, but at its time it sounds like the 2CV had acceptable performance. 

Your notes on how the 2CV makes sense for the M-chassis describe much of why I am so excited for this Tamiya: it is a historically-significant car, and the M-chassis is where one would probably put it. Hopefully, it will also inspire more research to learn about why the 2CV was chosen, and therefore lead to a better understanding of an important car.

Of course, the other reason I am so excited for it is because the real world has shown us many, many ways to modify 2CVs, and given the calibre of talent on TamiyaClub, I was interested in seeing what some users might come up with. I did hear numerous mentions of the Sahara model, at least... The Beetle has a similar following, but the 2CV's unique appearance might inspire even more radical projects.

And all that said, toppling a 2CV that way is far easier than flying it behind a 747!

 

56 minutes ago, Losi XXT-CR said:

Sorry but that is nonsense. A same era 6.75 litre V8 Bentley will burn way more fuel than a 2CV and produce proportionally more emissions. 

Maybe those are some good catalytic converters on that Bentley? But as mentioned before, who can trust those figures now?

[Granddad Stinky]

2 hours ago, Losi XXT-CR said:

Sorry but that is nonsense. A same era 6.75 litre V8 Bentley will burn way more fuel than a 2CV and produce proportionally more emissions. 

Sorry but it’s not.

Paris was considering banning the 2CV on the grounds of pollution.

Per one gallon of fuel, the Bentley engine produces more power at a more efficient rate than the air cooled twin, due to far better engine design.

The 2CV has a tube and a silencer as an exhaust, the much more efficient Bentley exhaust system, allows much less pollutants into the atmosphere. Even when new, the 2CV engine would consume approximately 0.4 litres of engine oil per 1000 kilometres. This was necessary due the the wide tolerances and piston clearances needed to run an air cooled engine. One of it’s design parameters was that it should be able to run constantly at full speed.

Pollutants exiting an exhaust system are not necessary proportional to fuel consumption,

[Losi XXT-CR]

15 minutes ago, Granddad Stinky said:

Sorry but it’s not.

Paris was considering banning the 2CV on the grounds of pollution.

Per one gallon of fuel, the Bentley engine produces more power at a more efficient rate than the air cooled twin, due to far better engine design.

The 2CV has a tube and a silencer as an exhaust, the much more efficient Bentley exhaust system, allows much less pollutants into the atmosphere. Even when new, the 2CV engine would consume approximately 0.4 litres of engine oil per 1000 kilometres. This was necessary due the the wide tolerances and piston clearances needed to run an air cooled engine. One of it’s design parameters was that it should be able to run constantly at full speed.

Pollutants exiting an exhaust system are not necessary proportional to fuel consumption,

There are lots of old cars and engines. Not just the 2CV. I fear this isn’t really comparing apples to apples. 

[OCD]

36 minutes ago, Granddad Stinky said:

Sorry but it’s not.

Paris was considering banning the 2CV on the grounds of pollution.

Per one gallon of fuel, the Bentley engine produces more power at a more efficient rate than the air cooled twin, due to far better engine design.

The 2CV has a tube and a silencer as an exhaust, the much more efficient Bentley exhaust system, allows much less pollutants into the atmosphere. Even when new, the 2CV engine would consume approximately 0.4 litres of engine oil per 1000 kilometres. This was necessary due the the wide tolerances and piston clearances needed to run an air cooled engine. One of it’s design parameters was that it should be able to run constantly at full speed.

Pollutants exiting an exhaust system are not necessary proportional to fuel consumption,

This is likely to be the same reason we never saw them here in the states -- The cost to make them crash-worthy or environmentally acceptable far exceeded the value as transportation. We had various updated iterations of the VW Beetle all the way into the mid-70s, and then had to stop selling them due to heightening crash and emissions regulations. Doesn't mean they stopped selling them in Mexico and South America, but new sales were forbidden in the United States. And nothing wrong with them as transportation, just not adaptable to modern environmental standards. Even air-cooled Porsche 911s also became victim to these regulations, and certainly not because they had an inefficient design!

 

[Granddad Stinky]

Many years ago, I read the “Unsafe at any speed” book, that resulted in rubber bumpers and increased ride height on the MGB.

Back to the 2CV, it’s one of the things that we all like about Tamiya. They see the sales potential in quirky cars and that people don’t necessarily want “normal”, but then, i’m not normal.

I don’t have any chassis with M at the front. This will be my justification to buy one. 😁

[OCD]

2 hours ago, Losi XXT-CR said:

Personally I like them. But at one point they would have just been a budget compact car. And very slow. Which kind of made them uncool. 

But the reality is, they have very interesting suspension and ethos behind what they were designed for. If you can look past the lack of speed they are actually hugely entertaining but in completely different ways. 

Electric. The answer is convert them to electric.

http://www.everything-ev.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66_118&products_id=384

 

[Granddad Stinky]

1 minute ago, OCD said:

Electric. The answer is convert them to electric.

http://www.everything-ev.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66_118&products_id=384

 

Wow. That’s impressive. 👍