TT-02B to DF-03

[gizard]

I think it might be time to swap my very hopped up TT-02B to a DF-03

When I re-re-started in the hobby in 2012 ish I was considering the DF-03 but under advice I received went for a TT-02B - can't remember what I was told exactly but the general consensus seemed to be that the TT-02B was more robust and there where more parts available etc.

However looking into it a little more I now think the DF-03 is certainly a better car and there seem plenty of upgrades available for it even carbon Chassis plates etc if you want to go very extreme! Essential upgrades seem to be better diff balls and a slipper clutch.

I would prefer the Avante MkII shell to the Dark Impact but cannot find any Kits 58387. other than the Shell is there any difference between the Avante MkII and Dark impact?

[gizard]

Think I have discovered that other than the shell there is no difference between the Avante MkII and Dark Impact. unless anyone can advise otherwise.

[ThunderDragonCy]

Can I be the first to be That Guy and derail the thread and suggest getting a DB01 Durga? 

[TurnipJF]

Nope, you are correct. Same car apart from the shell, decals and wheels.

And might I second the Durga suggestion?

[gizard]

Hmm I have looked at DB01 before as well but they seem to be even rarer - and the trouble is I would pine after the RRR version which appears to me to be rarer than unicorn poo  

My LHS seem to have a Dark Impact for 160 which is tempting as it's not too bad a price and I like to try and support them from time to time. I really need to shift my TT-02B though as SWIMBO would kill me if I were to get another - I have a TT-02R that I should sell as well with a fair few hop ups - is there are market for S/H TT-02s at all don't really see them on here.

 

cheers

G.

[ThunderDragonCy]

I guess you are asking this question too, but would a DF03 offer much more performance than a hopped up TT02B? 

[gizard]

Well I guess I am ! The TT-02B does struggle for ground clearance I know and the DF-03 drive train just seems much better sorted...

[TurnipJF]

Both the TT-02B and DF-03 have their drivetrain issues. The TT-02B plastic diffs are weak, while the DF-03 has a soft alloy idler gear that reportedly tends to wear prematurely.

Admittedly the TT-02B diff issue is more significant, with problems typically occurring within the first few runs if one has a powerful motor fitted and/or jumps a lot, while the DF-03 alloy idler wear is more gradual with some people reporting no issues after a goodly number of runs. But then the TT-02B diff issue is easily sorted with DF-02 or aftermarket parts, while the hardened gear for the DF-03 falls firmly into the hens' teeth category. 

[gizard]

Already have the DF-02 Metal Diffs in the TT-02B

Hmm......

[Juls1]

Having both buggys I don’t think you’d be that impressed by the df03 over the tt02b to be honest, technically the df03 is a better unit but overall I doubt you’d find it to be that much of an upgrade. A well sorted and straight Tt02b handles far better than it has any right to. 

The db01rr is still available from rcjaz, apart from black parts there isn’t much worthwhile on the db0-rrr to try wait around for one to show up. The Db01rr has the important things, square battery spot with no cutouts. Big bore shocks, gear diffs and slipper clutch. 

The RRR has a few minor tweaks but ultimately it’s mostly cosmetic. 

I think you’d see the actual upgrade in a db01. I don’t think you will in a df03.

however if df03 has been on your mind, it’s likely you need one just for the sake of having it. 

If it where me though I wouldn’t swap a bombed Tt02b for a stock df03. A fairly hopped up but mildy used df03 maybe. Particularly if it has a slipper clutch and the genuine Tamiya alloy damper set. (The yeah racing / 3racing buggy shocks are pretty terrible by comparison). 

Better off put the tt02b on the shelf and buy the next kit.. won’t be long you’ll need to put up more shelves.

Juls

 

 

 

[TurnipJF]

If ground clearance is your main issue with the TT-02B, have you considered getting yourself a DF-01 instead?

Like the DF-03 and DB-01 it was primarily designed as a buggy, unlike the TT-02B which is the buggy variant  of a chassis designed primarily as a touring car. Plus being old school, it has significantly more ground clearance than the modern crop of buggies designed for smooth artificial tracks.

It also features a soft alloy gear, however unlike the extremely rare DF-03 hop up, a harder-wearing plastic version is easily available.

You can go for the plastic tub version in the form of the Manta Ray, or the fibre plate chassis version in the form of the Top Force.

Either way, you will have a buggy that can keep up with many modern offerings, but gives you a ticket to enter the Vintage scene!

[gizard]

Haha - circles - I had already considered a Top Force as a more modern version of the Egress (Mind you I bough the Egress as a Runner as I wanted to keep the Avante for a rainy day so to speak ) - but they seem to be in short supply too.

The Egress seems to drive much better than the TT-02B, hence the idea of getting rid of the TT-02B …. 

Hmm maybe the idea of the DB-01RR is a better one - what sorts of bodies fit the DB-01 well - lots I am guessing? But also just seen the manual - what's the deal with the non 12mm hex hubs I see there is some sort of conversion kit from Yeah Racing that is no longer available - but also the RRR version is supposedly 12mm Hex....

[gizard]

I seem to going round in circles maybe a Top Force would be a good idea (I believe from reading here and else where) That it's a more modern take on the Egress and Avante etc. which I like. Seems to share a lot of parts with the Manta Ray so spares should be okay. Modellbau-Siedell seem to have it - I have bought a lot of stuff from them in the past but they now will not sell outside of Germany I believe.

[TurnipJF]

You could fit it with a full set of carbon chassis pieces from Fibrelyte...  

https://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/fl/cars/tamiya/topforce.html

 

[Juls1]

The Db01rr has front hex, the rear Tamiya supplies a hex for it. 

https://www.rcjaz.com.au/tamiya-54669-4wd-buggy-aluminum-hex-wheel-hub-rear-op1669-p-90070796.html

Obviously Durga and baldre body’s fit, some proline body’s will fit. 

Juls

[MICHAELs TopForce17]

Yeah racing also does a full graphite chassis and seperate damper stays.

http://www.rcmart.com/front-rear-graphite-damper-mount-tamiya-force-p-78929.html?cPath=595_744_754

[Fabia130vRS]

On 11/23/2018 at 2:59 PM, TurnipJF said:

If ground clearance is your main issue with the TT-02B, have you considered getting yourself a DF-01 instead?

Like the DF-03 and DB-01 it was primarily designed as a buggy, unlike the TT-02B which is the buggy variant  of a chassis designed primarily as a touring car. Plus being old school, it has significantly more ground clearance than the modern crop of buggies designed for smooth artificial tracks.

It also features a soft alloy gear, however unlike the extremely rare DF-03 hop up, a harder-wearing plastic version is easily available.

You can go for the plastic tub version in the form of the Manta Ray, or the fibre plate chassis version in the form of the Top Force.

Either way, you will have a buggy that can keep up with many modern offerings, but gives you a ticket to enter the Vintage scene!

how does the DF01 compare to a DF02? In terms of ground clearence and overall offroad ability?

 

I turned my DF02 to a Nissan Titan truck, I like the DF01 Mitsubishi dakar truck, is that the DF01 and what width is it, looks like a touring car width?

Tamiya 57797,  like a ta02ra??

[TurnipJF]

21 hours ago, Fabia130vRS said:

how does the DF01 compare to a DF02? In terms of ground clearence and overall offroad ability?

 

I turned my DF02 to a Nissan Titan truck, I like the DF01 Mitsubishi dakar truck, is that the DF01 and what width is it, looks like a touring car width?

Tamiya 57797,  like a ta02ra??

The DF-01 buggy chassis as used on the Manta Ray for example is the same width as the DF-02, with greater suspension travel and ground clearance, similar weight, slightly more drivetrain friction due to the use of a greater number of gears, and of course different body shell options. 

The narrow format DF-01 models such as the Porsche Cayenne and Mitsubishi that you mentioned have shorter suspension arms to achieve the narrower width, like the WT-01N is made narrower than the WT-01. I am surprised they aren't called the DF-01N. It would make things less confusing. 

[Fabia130vRS]

46 minutes ago, TurnipJF said:

The DF-01 buggy chassis as used on the Manta Ray for example is the same width as the DF-02, with greater suspension travel and ground clearance, similar weight, slightly more drivetrain friction due to the use of a greater number of gears, and of course different body shell options. 

Tamiya why do you do this ahhhh

[Wooders28]

On 11/23/2018 at 9:29 AM, gizard said:

plenty of upgrades available for it even carbon Chassis plates etc if you want to go very extreme! Essential upgrades seem to be better diff balls and a slipper clutch.

Have you any links to these, would love a carbon chassis (Although not enough to sell internal organs for 🙄) and my upgraded outdrives are worn, and will need replaced, but can't find any parts at all!!! 

[gizard]

6 minutes ago, Wooders28 said:

Have you any links to these, would love a carbon chassis (Although not enough to sell internal organs for 🙄) and my upgraded outdrives are worn, and will need replaced, but can't find any parts at all!!! 

I'm confused I didn't say the above!  

[ThunderDragonCy]

1 hour ago, Wooders28 said:

Have you any links to these, would love a carbon chassis (Although not enough to sell internal organs for 🙄) and my upgraded outdrives are worn, and will need replaced, but can't find any parts at all!!! 

Top Force carbon chassis.

http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/fl/cars/tamiya/topforce.html

http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/fl/cars/tamiya/topforceevo.html

You need to either start with the Top Force and replace the FRP parts or if you have a plastic tub you need the aluminium chassis spacers, the top force J parts tree and a top force or ball bearing steering upgrade. 

[Nicadraus]

Hey Gizard! I saw in your signature that you have the TT02R and TT02S. Can you post pics of them side by side?

Sorry for the OT.

[gizard]

could do, The R is for sale. What is it you would like to know specially, might help me take the right picture?

[Wooders28]

3 hours ago, ThunderDragonCy said:

Top Force carbon chassis

Think we've got wires crossed somewhere, the quote was for DF03 parts! 😂 

(Should have quoted all the paragraph🙄)