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DB01RR steps 7-18

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next up on the DB01RR we build the slipper clutch and centre drives. The included slipper on the 01RR is a standard variation, there is a optional slipper clutch that separately clutches the front and rear drive but I’ve decided since I’m not racing it’s a luxury I probably don’t need. 

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slipper assembled, quite a nice bit of kit. 

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installed in the motor mount.

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At this point I’ve fitted 51278 DB01 concentric belt adjusters. Ultimately they don’t tension the belt, they stop the belt expanding over the drive pulleys. Need them? Well they are blue bits....! 

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next up we fit up the motor. Interestingly the chassis has a slot so you can bolt on the motor.  On another note, the gearing between db01/DB02 is very close with the supplied spur. Meaning the same pinion gear in either car is near enough to being the same gearing. 

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once the motor is sorted the centre gear cover is fitted. This holds the centre of the drivetrain in. 

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Next up the steering is assembled. I managed to find 54149 allot steering set. Unfortunately I was not able to find the trf501x alloy cross member for the steering assembly.

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The Db01rr comes standard with CVD’s front and rear. 

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now it’s time to build up the suspension, the whole lot is pretty much identical on the DB02.

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The 01RR comes with all the nice suspension mounts as stock. 

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The front hub is shared with the DB buggy’s and the XV01. 

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now we are done up to the stage of the db02. 

Next up we will fit up and compare the 2 types of trf dampers. 

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with both kits up to roughly the same level I decided to weigh them, interestingly they are within a few grams of each other at this stage. Close enough to call identical. 

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Did you finish these builds, are there any more pictures to show rest of builds? I'm  interested to see, especially the DB02 because I've got one on the way, I've brought it from someone selling on ebay. Ty^^

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The cars are both sitting at that stage with no progression, I do intend to finish both of them hopefully before Xmas. 

Doing the buggy damper thread kinda stopped the progression, since then life got in the way. 

In the meantime I ordered big bore shocks for the DB02, I also ordered carbon damper towers so I can use the alloy camber link mount I have. 

Hopefully I’ll get back to these shortly. 

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Yes, I'm hoping to do the same with hop up parts. Where are you getting the big bore shocks from? I've seen the aeration shocks, i dont know how good they are compared to the big bore ones.

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I think i got my big bores from Rcmart or Rcjaz can't remember.

The standard aeration are pretty good, the big bores are nicer though, and alot more money.

My buggy damper thread has the full breakdown 

 

 

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How did the DB02 build end up? I just found this thread as I’ve recently acquired a DB02 and am trying to learn as much as I can. It’s great to see the info you’ve shared! Great write up!! Thank you for that!

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Yes, I found this build thread to be very well done and exceptionally interesting. My DB-01 build is completely stalled while I try to find a RRR chassis and some carbon reinforced bits, and I'll add the gear diffs if any show up. I've got tons of hop-ups but no chassis!

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the DB02 is this far, I'm a bit stalled, life got busy, and lost my mojo for them for the time being. 

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Hello

Sorry for necroing this thread.

To Thread starter, is there any update with your build, especially with the DB02, im planning to get either DB01 or DB02 for my next build.

I kinda prefer shaft driven compares to belt, but most of comment here (in this forum) says that DB2 is having lots of problems, so i wonder about your experience having/running it.

Maybe anyone else having experience with running DB02 kit? Please share it.

Thank you for your replies

 

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Hi

I'm new to this forum and I just find this thread about Tamiya DB02 from google. It's great to see the professional build of DB02 step-by-step, as I'm new to 1/10 RC car (but I do build drone / quadcopter and fly on my own).

I'm using the DB02 for my own research project. I use it to be the platform to build an autonomous driving car in 1/10 scale. The DB02 is my first RC car and I got it from donation by chance. It was left in someone's garage for dust and some parts were not complete and were missing. I spent some dollars to buy the carbon-reinforced parts and (nearly all) the hop-up options from Tamiya.

You may ask: Why using 1/10 RC car for autonomous research? It's because it is ackermann steering and is very similar to the real car. Plus it has ESC to control speed and servo for steering, both can be controlled by PWM signal generated by a computer onboard.

My DB02 is pretty much the same as Juls. But I'm using the Hobbywing's 13.5T sensored brushless motor and I use VESC instead. The VESC is connected to the on-board Jetson Nano computer through UART. The Jetson Nano has its separate LiPo power and can run ROS with LiDAR sensor for navigation and path planning. The driving command (steering and throttle) can be sent from the Jetson to the VESC and the servo through UART and GPIO. At the same time, the car can be driven using a standard RC radio controller. I use Polulu's RC Mux for multiplexing RC driving command from receiver and that from the computer (or even the computer joystick) to control the car to drive. I'm still working on the project and programming part. The onboard computer will be upgraded to a more advanced Jetson TX2 or Xavier NX. Feel free to comment and give your feedback to me as my DB02 may not be optimal for such heavy loading.

Perhaps I should start a new thread about my RC car project. But I've seen some reviews about DB02 and it's a legendary RC car from Tamiya. So my 2 cents here!

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Sorry, but may i just ask this with regards to the DB01; Are aluminum pulleys considered a useful upgrade for the DB01? 

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1 hour ago, BruiseWayn said:

Sorry, but may i just ask this with regards to the DB01; Are aluminum pulleys considered a useful upgrade for the DB01? 

Hi sir..for aluminum pulleys ..are you pertaining to item 54051? (Attached photo)..you need to use item 54018 (DB01 Slipper Clutch).. for racing in an almost flat surface maybe it has an advantage..as it transfers equal energy to the front and rear wheels. A stronger center pulley can give more punch at the expense of your belt and diff gears..But if you will be jumping a lot or bashing around then better to get the double slipper clutch, but then you cannot use item 54051 with the db01 double slipper clutch because of the design..but the double slipper clutch will prevent gear damage from a hard jump, yes it wont accelerate that fast (depending i guess on the setting and the driver) but at least the gears are spared and i wont replace them prematurely. Thats just based on my experience though..im just a hobbyist and not a racer...haha.

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56 minutes ago, RC.yuri.MD said:

Hi sir..for aluminum pulleys ..are you pertaining to item 54051? (Attached photo)..you need to use item 54018 (DB01 Slipper Clutch).. for racing in an almost flat surface maybe it has an advantage..as it transfers equal energy to the front and rear wheels. A stronger center pulley can give more punch at the expense of your belt and diff gears..But if you will be jumping a lot or bashing around then better to get the double slipper clutch, but then you cannot use item 54051 with the db01 double slipper clutch because of the design..but the double slipper clutch will prevent gear damage from a hard jump, yes it wont accelerate that fast (depending i guess on the setting and the driver) but at least the gears are spared and i wont replace them prematurely. Thats just based on my experience though..im just a hobbyist and not a racer...haha.

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Yeah talking about that, i was gonna ask abt the slipper clutch.. because now that there's an oil filled gear diff, i mean, i understand a slipper clutch is all abt protecting the drivetrain... but if you have oil filled gear diffs and aluminum pulleys then... they should be plenty strong no? 

Dude i just bought my DB01, i know ****.... hence my stupid questions lol

I am not sure what part number it is though, but the package describes an 18T pulley, for DB01. 

Ok, so the aluminum pulleys will not work with the slipper clutch...

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1 hour ago, BruiseWayn said:

Yeah talking about that, i was gonna ask abt the slipper clutch.. because now that there's an oil filled gear diff, i mean, i understand a slipper clutch is all abt protecting the drivetrain... but if you have oil filled gear diffs and aluminum pulleys then... they should be plenty strong no? 

Dude i just bought my DB01, i know ****.... hence my stupid questions lol

I am not sure what part number it is though, but the package describes an 18T pulley, for DB01. 

Ok, so the aluminum pulleys will not work with the slipper clutch...

What version did you get? The first release or the upgrade (R, RR or RRR)? The oil filled gear diffs were added for low maintenance and consistency unlike ball diffs that need tightening after a few runs..

There is a difference between a DB01 slipper clutch (item 54018) and a DB01 double slipper clutch (item 54061). 

The first slipper clutch works just like the usual slipper clutch..it slides using a disc and clamp mechanism..A DOUBLE slipper clutch “dampens” the excess energy from a heavy jump by “slipping” the impact on the landing wheels. The second slipper clutch uses separate pulley gears for the two belts. (See attached photo). When a sudden force/impact is applied to the rear tire/belt, the rear pulley gear slips on small discs in between the gears (note the space as pointed by arrow) thus not affecting the force being delivered to the front belt, thus not reducing the traction of the front wheels. I dont know if that made sense.

For the aluminum pulley: they were made for the “race-oriented” guys.. and YES you can use the 18T aluminum center pulley as long as you use the item 54018. I REPEAT, You can use the aluminum pulley in a Slipper Clutch setup but it is different than a DOUBLE SLIPPER CLUTCH. The aluminum pulley will not fit in item 54061. Just with the normal slipper clutch. Which leads us back to..what kit did you buy? With an aluminum pulley gear, IT IS a strong drivetrain, and all wheels deliver the same power front to back, so your car responds to changes in the throttle just without the benefit of the double slipper.

the DB01 is a cool kit (probably after a ton of upgrades haha) but thats the fun of this hobby

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48 minutes ago, RC.yuri.MD said:

What version did you get? The first release or the upgrade (R, RR or RRR)? The oil filled gear diffs were added for low maintenance and consistency unlike ball diffs that need tightening after a few runs..

There is a difference between a DB01 slipper clutch (item 54018) and a DB01 double slipper clutch (item 54061). 

The first slipper clutch works just like the usual slipper clutch..it slides using a disc and clamp mechanism..A DOUBLE slipper clutch “dampens” the excess energy from a heavy jump by “slipping” the impact on the landing wheels. The second slipper clutch uses separate pulley gears for the two belts. (See attached photo). When a sudden force/impact is applied to the rear tire/belt, the rear pulley gear slips on small discs in between the gears (note the space as pointed by arrow) thus not affecting the force being delivered to the front belt, thus not reducing the traction of the front wheels. I dont know if that made sense.

For the aluminum pulley: they were made for the “race-oriented” guys.. and YES you can use the 18T aluminum center pulley as long as you use the item 54018. I REPEAT, You can use the aluminum pulley in a Slipper Clutch setup but it is different than a DOUBLE SLIPPER CLUTCH. The aluminum pulley will not fit in item 54061. Just with the normal slipper clutch. Which leads us back to..what kit did you buy? With an aluminum pulley gear, IT IS a strong drivetrain, and all wheels deliver the same power front to back, so your car responds to changes in the throttle just without the benefit of the double slipper.

the DB01 is a cool kit (probably after a ton of upgrades haha) but thats the fun of this hobby

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 LOL sorry, the one i have is a base kit. it came without a body, which is a problem now. I like the Baldre more than the Durga but as it stands, can't find 1. Anyway, got it. alu pulley works with stock slipper, not the 54061 double one. Thanks for explaining this to me.  (y) 

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On 3/30/2021 at 4:57 PM, RC.yuri.MD said:

What version did you get? The first release or the upgrade (R, RR or RRR)? The oil filled gear diffs were added for low maintenance and consistency unlike ball diffs that need tightening after a few runs..

There is a difference between a DB01 slipper clutch (item 54018) and a DB01 double slipper clutch (item 54061). 

The first slipper clutch works just like the usual slipper clutch..it slides using a disc and clamp mechanism..A DOUBLE slipper clutch “dampens” the excess energy from a heavy jump by “slipping” the impact on the landing wheels. The second slipper clutch uses separate pulley gears for the two belts. (See attached photo). When a sudden force/impact is applied to the rear tire/belt, the rear pulley gear slips on small discs in between the gears (note the space as pointed by arrow) thus not affecting the force being delivered to the front belt, thus not reducing the traction of the front wheels. I dont know if that made sense.

For the aluminum pulley: they were made for the “race-oriented” guys.. and YES you can use the 18T aluminum center pulley as long as you use the item 54018. I REPEAT, You can use the aluminum pulley in a Slipper Clutch setup but it is different than a DOUBLE SLIPPER CLUTCH. The aluminum pulley will not fit in item 54061. Just with the normal slipper clutch. Which leads us back to..what kit did you buy? With an aluminum pulley gear, IT IS a strong drivetrain, and all wheels deliver the same power front to back, so your car responds to changes in the throttle just without the benefit of the double slipper.

the DB01 is a cool kit (probably after a ton of upgrades haha) but thats the fun of this hobby

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Sorry pal, i meant to expand on this but i just forgot abit it as time went by lol. 

The car i bought was from Japan; afaik its a base DB01 kit. stock turnbuckles, CVA shocks, ribbed battery compartment chassis. 

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I just realized the stock DB10 is not supposed to have a slipper. Is this a slipper? This looks like a slipper. I dunno.

And then just last week i found a DB01RRR near where i lived. One in a bad condition, and has had very hard life. Missing front and rear hexs and the BB shocks. F***ing annoying. But it wasn't expensive. On hindsight, factoring in new BB aeration shocks, It is quite expensive..... !@#$

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Honestly i haven't opened up either to have a look. Too much on my plate lately. Did some reading, saw that 54018 is standard on an RR which is actually what @Juls1 has on his build so that should be whats on mine as well.

With regards to the aluminum pulley I was rambling abt 3 months ago, i wasn't exactly talking about 54051, though that must have been the one i have seen. 
I was wondering if there were like, aluminum pulleys for the DB01. I mean, off road. plastic. just doesn't sound like a good combi.

So would the plastc gears wear over time? Even if you have the 53967 belt adjusters?

But if 54051 is installed on the car, wouldn't one have 1 alu and 1 plastic pulley?

So its with abit more searching that i find 84391, but its seems its something as rare as hen's teeth now...

Sorry for hijacking your thread @Juls1:D
 

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