CC-02 Cross Country chassis

[taffer 660]

Just to balance this up a little.

Yes the Merc body isn't the most appealing, but now I've had it for a while it really is a great body which looks good in most colours! In the flesh it's much better....

However this chassis needs a hard body!

Just under £200 for the current kit is ok I think, it's a shame more effort wasn't made with the box presentation.... ie white box with drawing, box card divider etc.....

Not having model shops around in general also doesn't help because you would hope you'd be able to pop in and run a test model etc, hands on look at it.....

As for other manufacturers the enduro gatekeeper looks to be well priced.....

[Carmine A 1331]

The Enduro Gatekeeper is going to be my next Scaler. Extremely capable, correct proportions, the right parts. 

As much as I WANT to love the CC-02, it's lacking in the above description...

They WEREN'T paying attention!!! I mean, as popular as Crawlers and Scalers are in the U.S., UK, Europe, and a big following in Southeast Asia and Australia... 

Tamiya didn't take ANY clues from any big market - except the JDM, which is all they really seem to care about anymore....  Heck - even the CR-01 was a more capable Crawler than the CC-02!! 

CC-01 Bodies fit easily on MST CFX and CMX Chassis - and ECX Barrage... EITHER a much better performing Chassis than the OVERENGINEERED Tamiya. 

I wanted to like it, I really did.

[Nicadraus 1910]

Since the Axial, Traxxas, HPI, MST, the other crawling kits have been out long before the CC-02, Tamiya should have followed the proper crawler design. Like @Carmine A said, it's over-engineered (same as the Hotshot and Avante). It's not even build-friendly to kids. What Tamiya should do now is offer other options for the CC-02. Like longer chassis and wheelbase for example. Then upgrades. Important upgrades and not just "bling" like what other people might think. Metal suspension links, steering links, drive shafts, etc. There are a lot of aftermarket parts already for the CC-02 but they should still come up with their own.

Well, Tamiya didn't even bother to correct the CC-01's steering issues and still offer new kits with the same crappy steering set for nearly 3 decades. Thanks to YR and HR, they solved this issue. I have a feeling that crawler kits from competitors will over shadow the CC-02 and won't be as successful as the CC-01 did in terms of sales and duration in the market.

[BuggyGuy 79]

37 minutes ago, Nicadraus said:

Since the Axial, Traxxas, HPI, MST, the other crawling kits have been out long before the CC-02, Tamiya should have followed the proper crawler design. Like @Carmine A said, it's over-engineered (same as the Hotshot and Avante). It's not even build-friendly to kids. What Tamiya should do now is offer other options for the CC-02. Like longer longer chassis and wheelbase for example. Then upgrades. Important upgrades and not just "bling" like what other people might think. Metal suspension links, steering links, drive shafts, etc. There are a lot of aftermarket parts already for the CC-02 but they should still come up with their own.

Well, Tamiya didn't even bother to correct the CC-01's steering issues and still offer new kits with the same crappy steering set for nearly 3 decades. Thanks to YR and HR, they solved this issue. I have a feeling that crawler kits from competitors will over shadow the CC-02 and won't be as successful as the CC-01 did in terms of sales and duration in the market.

I don't think the CC02 is really pitched against the dedicated crawlers tbh - it's more of a jack of all trades type model. 

If it wasn't Tamiya I probably wouldn't have got one - to bring CC02 upto a reasonable spec I think your looking at about £100 for Tamiya CR01 props and some bearings. Another £40 if you want stronger axles like GPM CVDs up front and a hardened steel axle for rear. To put Tamiya alloy shocks on the CC02 is probably going to be at least £60 - probably a lot more. 

But - its a very capable kit even in stock form, it's got good scope for wheelbase adjustment, and the plastics are good - but you do need to spend on props and bearings if you want to run a remotely fast motor IMO.

[Carmine A 1331]

Well...... I guess if you want it as a fast Basher... This might be the toy for you.  I guess there are Markets I didn't think of, where the CC-02 Will do just fine. 😉

[taffer 660]

My relatively stock cc-02 outperforms cc-01 out on the trail......not by a large degree at all, it's small....

However, now Tamiya have launched it with its spec, it will either fade away db-02 style or they will continue to push forward with mods and variations to keep it going for another 10 years (regardless of perceived western success).

Because it's not a crawler and the cr-01 was titled as such, I think the pressure would be more directed at any future cr-02 release for Tamiya to be performance competitive!? (because they never seem to be price competitive!).

[Carmine A 1331]

A CR-02 release, IF done right, would actually work...

The Clod and CR-01 were the reasons why Crawlers first launched in the Western U.S. - and then the World. They were the reason why Axial stopped making accessories and Nitro Motors - and decided to make the first purpose built Crawler - the AX-10 

But WILL Tamiya do such a thing??

[yogi-bear 1709]

I do wonder what Tamiya has as their target market, probably more like me where I am not a hard core crawling fan, more of a casual driver at best and enjoy Tamiya's overall quality, so I know its a relatively safe buy in that regard, which is probably Tamiya's strong point.

My CC-02 arrived this week, and it was pretty pricey, costing me $440 AUD from RCMART being the best deal I could find and is one of the dearest RC kits I've bought.  I won't keep the stock shell on it either, but have a Subaru Forester from A Plastics to go onto it, so relative performance also is fine by me. So with the body, and only a few other upgrades like bearings, plus paint and electronics, it'll end up owing easily over $600 AUD, making it pretty expensive. I'm OK with that as I have a decent collection that I am now happy with , so I'd rather invest in upgrades in what I have rather than wanting to spend my money on other kits.

[Blista 1097]

If the CC02 was cheaper I'd be quite happy to have one.  Removing the LED kit and a non-licensed body might be enough.  Name aside, the Landfreeder was a neat little truck.

I still wonder if a CC02 based on a new bathtub chassis with independent front suspension, good steering, an improved drivetrain and better rear links would've been a bigger seller for them.  Maybe the CC02 has been a good seller so they haven't felt the need to release anything else yet.

[Saito2 2819]

I really do like it and want to buy one. Its a fresh design and uses improved plastics, something I've been critical of Tamiya lacking in the past. I fully expected them to roll out a ton of body variants like the CC01, so I waited. And continue to wait...Either A. its selling just fine with the Merc body so they aren't in a rush B. its not selling as they had hoped (especially with all the competition in the marketplace now) and have kinda ignored it. C. Its somehow related to the pandemic and they've got more important things to concern themselves with. As far a where its positioned as a successor to the CC01, I think its on target (or at least I could see how Tamiya saw it that way.) It looks like a fun little Tamiya trail truck and that's fine by me.

[yogi-bear 1709]

I opened the CC-02 box today and was pleasantly surprised to see a light kit in there, I didn't realise it was included. And while the Merc body is not my first choice, it is still very well detailed and looks better in the flesh. Still can't fathom my Tamiya doesn't include proper bearings though.

I do think the Defender body would have been a better choice though. Or actually I would have liked to have seen a re-release of the Nissan King Cab on this chassis.

[ChrisRx718 2516]

Well, looks like my CC02 is going to get some money spent on it in the coming months! Particularly interested in the dampers and springs of course; our wishes answered by Mr T!

Thanks goes to @Mokei Kagaku for the announcement 

54989 CC-02 A-Parts (Gearbox) Matte Plated 
54990 CC-02 B-Parts (Axle Housing) Matte Plated 
54991 CC-02 Aluminum Dampers (4 Pcs.) 
54992 CC-02 Aluminum Damper Spring Set 
 

[taffer 660]

This is good news, however the stock parts are doing more than fine so far....I'll consider them for any future shelfer!

[ChrisRx718 2516]

28 minutes ago, taffer said:

This is good news, however the stock parts are doing more than fine so far....I'll consider them for any future shelfer!

Since when has it been a consideration that just because the CVA dampers, which are probably best, mean you don't rush out to buy the shiny shiny blue thing when they become available? 

It's simply not the Tamiya way. Shiny & new & aluminium? TAKE MY MONEY!!

[Wetman 317]

On 11/7/2020 at 8:21 AM, yogi-bear said:

I opened the CC-02 box today and was pleasantly surprised to see a light kit in there, I didn't realise it was included. And while the Merc body is not my first choice, it is still very well detailed and looks better in the flesh. Still can't fathom my Tamiya doesn't include proper bearings though.

I do think the Defender body would have been a better choice though. Or actually I would have liked to have seen a re-release of the Nissan King Cab on this chassis.

The Merc probably isn't as bad as I make out but the cabrio version put me right off

[yogi-bear 1709]

55 minutes ago, Wetman said:

The Merc probably isn't as bad as I make out but the cabrio version put me right off

its not terrible, just bland and not that exciting as say the recently announced Mk II Escort is 

[BuggyGuy 79]

Very interested to see what the new 54991  damper kit looks like - I'm guessing 4 of the rears from the DF-03 buggy damper kit is reasonably likely...? 

[ChrisRx718 2516]

17 minutes ago, BuggyGuy said:

Very interested to see what the new 54991  damper kit looks like - I'm guessing 4 of the rears from the DF-03 buggy damper kit is reasonably likely...? 

I'm expecting a variation on 54541 (CC01 Aluminium Oil Damper) as below. Perhaps a longer damper body combined with a longer shock piston?

[BuggyGuy 79]

1 hour ago, ChrisRx718 said:

I'm expecting a variation on 54541 (CC01 Aluminium Oil Damper) as below. Perhaps a longer damper body combined with a longer shock piston?

Yeah those look to be a similar design to the GF-01 and the fronts from the DF-03 (just different colour and coating?) - will need to be 90mm for CC02 (like buggy rear) to maintain ride height and travel I believe

[Juls1 1236]

38 minutes ago, BuggyGuy said:

Yeah those look to be a similar design to the GF-01 and the fronts from the DF-03 (just different colour and coating?) - will need to be 90mm for CC02 (like buggy rear) to maintain ride height and travel I believe

The cc01 dampers are identical to gf01 dampers bar the color. Like 100% identical. 
 

the df03 front damper is too short and rear too long for cc01 so fingers crossed they come with something in between or a totally new damper. 

[tamiya3speed 259]

Tower has these on sale tonight.  $184.80 after coupon BUT only until 9ET!!

[Saito2 2819]

Thanks for the tip. I caught that with 23 minutes to go. Unfortunately the Paypal window would not fully open on my computer and I missed out on that great deal. Oh well, I just tell myself I need a new guitar amp more than an 86th Tamiya or so...

[nginsb 98]

Hi all  - anyone know if a shortly pack (hardcase) will fit in the CC-02 chassis? I'm looking at the battery tray and it appears that only full size battery will fit, since there is no support underneath to house a shorty pack without it falling through. I run shorty 2S lipo's in my other crawlers/trail trucks and was hoping not to have to go out and buy additional batteries to run the CC-02. Thanks.

 

[BuggyGuy 79]

1 minute ago, nginsb said:

Hi all  - anyone know if a shortly pack (hardcase) will fit in the CC-02 chassis? I'm looking at the battery tray and it appears that only full size battery will fit, since there is no support underneath to house a shorty pack without it falling through. I run shorty 2S lipo's in my other crawlers/trail trucks and was hoping not to have to go out and buy additional batteries to run the CC-02. Thanks.

 

If you rotate the rear brace between the rear shock mount through 90deg (so what was the top of it should now be orientated toward the front of the chassis) it makes the battery tray the exact length of a shorty lipo... 

[nginsb 98]

15 minutes ago, BuggyGuy said:

If you rotate the rear brace between the rear shock mount through 90deg (so what was the top of it should now be orientated toward the front of the chassis) it makes the battery tray the exact length of a shorty lipo... 

Exactly what I'm after! Thanks a ton, will check it out tomorrow - also helps keep the weight slightly forward, looks like a good solution. Was hoping not to have to splash out on a whole new series of batteries.