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just a point, I have a TOP FORCE and i love it, so i guess its a toss up. My TF is on brushless lipo and rocks. so i guess if rere can handle modern electronics then its the best of both worlds.

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On 6/7/2020 at 12:26 PM, •Axle said:

Seeing these things on the internet go to the skateparks do huge jumps and tumble whichever way doesn’t appeal to me, the proportions look wrong, it’s all wheels and a makeshift lid with tiny windows, it’s not even about the car or any realism. Overall for me is that there’s no character to the vehicle.

I cannot take something like that to the park, weave it back and forth with other families around, I’m definitely more casual than hardcore.

yeah but they are getting paid by youtube for follower counts. so not really a real comparison.

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9 hours ago, Falcon#5 said:

 

And here I was thinking you were still rocking around in your old 90's Rodeo. :lol:

FG GT??

Daily I am still rocking around in the ‘96 Rodeo mate :ph34r::lol:

FGX XR8 (Basically a FG GT R Spec)

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46 minutes ago, Finnsllc said:

just a point, I have a TOP FORCE and i love it, so i guess its a toss up. My TF is on brushless lipo and rocks. so i guess if rere can handle modern electronics then its the best of both worlds.

That is the beauty of brushless re-res - choose your motor and your car to suit each other, and you can enjoy classic looks and handling with modern efficiency and reliability without breaking any more parts than you would have back in the day with a hot brushed motor. 

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The big problem I have with Tamiya re-res is the marketing.  To the uneducated buyer, there's nothing to tell a Hotshot from a Plasma Edge, and a lot of websites don't bother to give any more than the car's box description.  In the Before Times, when you could walk into a hobby shop and have a chat with the owner, you might get a recommendation either way depending on what you aim to get, but as lots of people have returned to the hobby recently via e-commerce this probably isn't happening much.

Even then, you could watch some videos online of Arrma and Traxxas cars launching over skate park ramps and buy a modern Tamiya to do the same thing, and be disappointed.  I kind of get that if Tamiya's marketing statement was "actually we're a bit rubbish at most things people want" then nobody would buy them, but if there was a way to explain their position in the market then there might no be so many people who reject Tamiya as plasticy fragile toys because they had a bad experience with them.

OTOH, I think one of the things that really appeals about re-res and vintage in general is the quirkiness in design that is largely missing from today's line-up.  OK, so the comical buggies are a bit different and Tamiya are still going crazy with space-age body designs, but back in the 80s (at least until the RC10 came along) nobody really knew how to make a fast RC car that handled well, so there grew a crazy arms race of different designs.  It reminds me of the F1 era of the 60s and 70s when teams tried all manner of different ideas to make their cars faster.  As the rules were tightened up and CFD became a thing, the cars have all narrowed in on that one perfect formula - so they all look the same.  A similar thing has happened with RC - it's rare to see a modern buggy or truggy that does anything different to its peers.

I like that I can buy the cars now that I couldn't have when I was younger, but at the same time I'm disappointed there's not a more modern offering from Tamiya that fills the same gap in the market.  The Clod and the Blackfoot were great-looking monster trucks.  OK, they're both flawed in their own way, but that's what they're about.  But what's the modern equivalent?  I suppose a TXT-2 looks like a modern monster truck but that doesn't stop it being ugly as sin.  Let's have a good-looking monster truck body on a chassis that at least has a pretence at performance and won't spit its gears out after a few runs.  It may not match a Stampede or SMT-10 in outright performance (although why not?  Tamiya are capable, if they want to) but it would give us something that looks as good as a Blackfoot that can keep up with modern demands.

It's also a shame they didn't put a bit more work into the re-res.  Kyosho have showed what's possible.  OTOH the Kyosho re-res are a lot more expensive, so maybe Tamiya was right after all?  I don't know.  It's a shame the ORVs didn't have a better transmission and it's a shame you can't get modern batteries into most re-res.

 

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15 hours ago, mtbkym01 said:

Daily I am still rocking around in the ‘96 Rodeo mate :ph34r::lol:

FGX XR8 (Basically a FG GT R Spec)

Nice one! Feeling a bit jelly right now though... :wub:

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I agree with most of the consensus here...

What do I expect from a re-re?? Reliving my 70's and 80's memories of course. But maybe a LITTLE better. Improve some KNOWN problem areas.... 

Specifically the A5 part on the 2020 Terra Scorcher. They break if you look at them too long!! 😖 Even a cheap Steel Brace to go over the Front, connecting the A Arms would have been a big improvement. But why not a better A5 part? 

The Falcon!! Don't get me started. It's GOT to be a matter of time before they re-re that. 😁  The WHOLE FRONT END needs strengthening....

The re-re ORV Chassis Cars.... COULD have gotten a stronger Diff!! Not necessarily a Ball Diff, but something a little less brittle.  

NONE of the Classic Tamiyas will ever be like the modern Bashers. We DON'T want them to be!! 

Let's face it, we love to quirkiness, the charm and that "X Factor" that Tamiya always did well.

But they wouldn't be hurt by just a little tweaking, to improve reliability, right? 😉

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12 hours ago, Carmine A said:

I agree with most of the consensus here...

What do I expect from a re-re?? Reliving my 70's and 80's memories of course. But maybe a LITTLE better. Improve some KNOWN problem areas.... 

Specifically the A5 part on the 2020 Terra Scorcher. They break if you look at them too long!! 😖 Even a cheap Steel Brace to go over the Front, connecting the A Arms would have been a big improvement. But why not a better A5 part? 

The Falcon!! Don't get me started. It's GOT to be a matter of time before they re-re that. 😁  The WHOLE FRONT END needs strengthening....

The re-re ORV Chassis Cars.... COULD have gotten a stronger Diff!! Not necessarily a Ball Diff, but something a little less brittle.  

NONE of the Classic Tamiyas will ever be like the modern Bashers. We DON'T want them to be!! 

Let's face it, we love to quirkiness, the charm and that "X Factor" that Tamiya always did well.

But they wouldn't be hurt by just a little tweaking, to improve reliability, right? 😉

I always compare them to being an old VW enthusiast. Old VW's are generally a bit crap as a car these days but boy do they have character.

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I dunno, I drove my '72 Super Beetle (I think that's known in Europe as a 1302) until it had 250,000 miles. Last I checked, it's still going strong.

Air-cooled VWs break sometimes, but you can always fix them.

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19 hours ago, Krustybus said:

I always compare them to being an old VW enthusiast. Old VW's are generally a bit crap as a car these days but boy do they have character.

........ But see? That actually brings back my point. 

 

The Old Beetles were TOUGH!! Sure, some People needed an UNDERDRIVE Gear for some steeper Driveways....

(ESPECIALLY the Mark I Van!!!)

The Heater? WHAT Heater? 😖 

 

Yes, like our older Tamiyas.... They had QUIRKS! Quite a few. 

SLOPPY STEERING!! 😖😠 Nothing really bothers me more - EXCEPT for Body Posts through the Skin of the Body. 😠😠😠 

And can we please get Battery Trays that actually FITS a 4500-5000 MAh LIPOS !!?? 

LASTLY.... Would it be so hard, to FINALLY get Hex Head Screws in our Kits??? 

Some more specialised Kits have Hex Head Screws, in miniscule sizes (like 0.9mm. 0.6mm, etc...) 

 

Will any of this stop me???

NO WAY!!! It's still that intangible element, that draws so many People to Tamiya - or BACK to Tamiya!! 👍👍😁

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I expect improvements and fixes and instead got no improvements and breakages instead.

Monster Beetle x 2 for partner and I. Her drive shafts would fall out with a smidge of acceleration, I don't know how many times I dismantled her rear end (ooh er missus) until I looked on here and found it is a common problem. Mine was ok at first and then started doing it too. Had to buy vintage style drive shafts to resolve issue, how did the originals get past QA?

Brat popped the wheel from the knuckle on second run, never had that on vintage or frog.

Rough Rider - battery compartment does not take standard 7.2v Nimh, and here in NZ atleast, hump backs are nearly impossible to get. Thinking might just go LiPo for this one, but I shouldn't be forced into that because I can't find a hump back.

surely a re-release is an opportunity to improve anything that was a known issue on the OG, and make it current. I can't fit any of my race cans into the Rough Rider either, so have to stick with a stock 540, how boring is that? I'd planned on bashing the crap out of it. I have a vintage Sand Scorcher and wanted to get a rere to bash, but not now, knowing it will have the same dramas and limitations as the Rough Rider (I of course mean Buggy Champ).

 

 

 

 

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A re re for me, gives me the opportunity to abuse a model I really don’t want to abuse if this makes any sense?

 

i could bore you all with a long nostalgic story, but I am going to bullet point my 30 year rc journey, with age to start.

 

8 got a Thunder Dragon Qd for Christmas, Bought hopups with Christmas money

9 lusted after an older neighbours 1/10 something Tamiya buggy

10 Thunder dragon very rarely came out, hidden in the back of a cupboard forever
 

21 got back into it with nitro, bought a traxxas rustler on eBay as I always fancied a nitro

21 bought a brand new T Maxx 2.5, followed by 2-3 years of heavy modification

22 bought an FG Marder, modified it, had great fun but decided it was probably a bit dangerous after hitting a dog (the dog was fine by the way) and then hitting my best mates shins at lowish speed, time to sell

big gap while growing up and racing 1:1 motorcycles and cars

38 (now) during lockdown, mum had a clear out asked me to pick up my stuff (moved out like 18-19 years ago mind, my old bedroom still the same but now full of parents crap too) out came the old Thunder Dragon Qd looking a little worse for wear, yet still working perfectly

this sparked my interest, and I ended up spending silly money restoring it (probably spent 3 times what it cost in the 80s) stuck a brushless in it. Now found new love for it.

went on to spending a ridiculous amount on RC over lockdown, 5 more models, one of which being a really nice 80s thundershot with 3s brushless. as we all know, same buggy, different shell. Always wanted the 1/10. Anyway, bought a replica shell and genuine decals for shelf queen status.

on a 3s battery it’s insanely fast, broke it 3 times on 1 charge. I did then however manage a really fun half an hour straight. I love it despite it’s awful handling in comparison to modern stuff etc. All repaired with proper 80s NOS parts.

 

my next purchase will be the 2020 terra scorcher, close enough to my 80s Thunder Dragon (turned the shot into a dragon via a replica shell as the dragon is kind of special to me), probably a bit better handling with 4 shocks on it, and I WONT mind breaking it. I haven’t seen a re re yet, so I have no clue if all the parts are stamped “1987” or “2020” either way, it will be brushless, it will be over powered and all the negatives that go with it, but when I do break it (which I will) genuine/modified/spurious or hack jobs to get it running again are fine, knowing I am not destroying the value/originality of my 80s one is worth the price of the 2020 kit

the other reason, I may even buy 2, currently trying for a baby, so the second 2020 will be coming home, tyres treated with silicon spray or some rubber preservative, then getting cling filmed to within an inch of its life, black bagged then going in the loft until unconceived child is maybe 8- 10??? Who knows what the RC world will be like in 10 years time? I see neighbour children playing with the crappiest RCs ever, so I would like my kid to experience the build with Daddy, followed by the first run, the first crash, the first repair, the exciting trip to LHS, call me weird but that’s what I am gonna do!

my future kid will probably end up being a girl and having zero interest having said all that! In which case check eBay in about 20 years for a vintage 2020 new in box terra scorcher lmao

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On 6/6/2020 at 1:10 PM, TurnipJF said:

I expect from my re-res much the same as I expect from my restomods - the opportunity to experience and idea of what a model was like back in the day, but perhaps with some modern refinements to improve reliability. I certainly don't expect them to out-perform their modern equivalents.

The exception is perhaps the F-103, which I find to be every bit as competitive as modern F1s. But then the fundamentals of pan car/F1 design haven't really changed much over the last few decades, so perhaps this is unsurprising.

great point.  I love vintage muscle cars and want them to appear stock but all about modern ignition and overdrive tranny etc.

 

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On 6/6/2020 at 3:25 PM, taffer said:

For me the re-re's are the only reason I've stuck with RC for so long....

Memories fade, the re-re's have revitalised them and made them better than ever.

I've gone round the cycle of brushed to brushless pushing models beyond their limits, breaking and repairing them...it got boring eventually...

Now out of the box with a steel pinion, bb's and maybe no faster than 20t motor is the sweet spot for buggies that don't break at every run but wear at an acceptable rate, to the point where I've ended up selling on collections of spares, never needed most of them!

Running in a smaller area helps with this to not dampen expectation, a hornet in a vast car park with a 540 gets dull quickly but on a trail or on a 10m squared area or so, you can weave around and brake skid before hitting the boundaries etc, fine! While all the time experiencing the capabilities they were designed for.

The whole experience of the re-re outweighs any modern performance buggy, the box, the build, hopping up, repairing a wreck it's a complete package which quite a few don't get sucked into...but I did!

Well said!  

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back in primary 5-6 i got a kyosho tracker, the guy in my lhs and my dad said that was a much better model than lunch box's, i secretly wanted one though, at the time the tracker was the better model as i was used to a gold tub rc10, fast forward now and dad is highly frustrated with his kyosho monster tracker 2 and we both have mad performing models off all types, bought a black lunchie just for the garden to see what it was like and the fun of building a new kit and seeing it go for the first time :)

less than 2 weeks later dad bought a midnight pumpkin, we love the simplicity and the mental handling on the stock motors just like we loved the grass hoppers we also bought about 7 weeks ago, dad had a grass hopper when i was very young and i chose a similar colour  :)

part nostalgia for me and part awesome fun, no worry about batteries as im using nimhs in hopper and lunchie, while on my other things i have to faff about with storage mode or in the case of my new hyper vse i have to charge 2 lipos as it runs 4s and deffo can't run that in the garden :P

rarely break stuff on the tamiya kits as well, they are just worry free fun :D

 

still wondering what re re to buy next and nova fox is up there  :)

 

edit: when your up to the ears in batteries and chargers the old tamiyas can run for 24/7 as well if you want unlike the old days where i got 10 min run time and running in the house and back out with battery after battery on the rapid charger, much to the annoyance of the other kids :)

 

 

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3 hours ago, 426Purplefish said:

Great point.  I love vintage muscle cars and want them to appear stock but all about modern ignition and overdrive tranny etc.

ABSOLUTELY!! 👍👍 I'm going to have a 68 Mustang Fastback... But equip her with 4-Wheel Disc Brakes, whole new Front K-Frame with Rack & Pinion Steering, Fuel Injection, modern Air Conditioning, and a BANGING Stereo! 

All while keeping the whole Body looking Stock, and even the Stock, but rebuilt, beefed up Engine and an Overdrive Transmission. 😁 NO Coyote swap - or WORSE, an LS swap!! 

There's a very practical reason for this as well (as I told my Wife!!). An all original 68 Mustang gets about 14mpg - on a good day. And they were less than safe to Stop, and the Steering was VAGUE at best! 

A Friend of mine did similar to a 66 Mustang.... 22-27mpg!!! Stops and steers similar to a Modern Car! And it looks SAHWEET!!! ❤😁

I've got PLENTY of time to sort the details... I'm not going to see anything resembling Money for another Year to 15 Months. Currently we're a little worse than hand-to-mouth.

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I expect the nostalgia of building my childhood hero's (rc cars that I could never afford at the time), but updated to handle modern electronics/power.

 

Kyosho has absolutely nailed it with their re-re's, from blister pack displays, top notch fit and finish of parts and performance that actually holds a candle to more modern designs. 

 

It's a shame when we purchase a Tamiya re-re only to have to seek "necessary add-ons" just to run reliably.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Killajb said:

 

Kyosho has absolutely nailed it with their re-re's, from blister pack displays, top notch fit and finish of parts and performance that actually holds a candle to more modern designs.....

ABSOLUTELY!!! I think only the re-re Avante and Sand Scorcher had the original, NICE Blister Pack trays...

And they DO absolutely need upgrades to be somewhat acceptable. As dirt cheap as Bearings are today - WHAT'S Tamiya's problem?? 

.... and I've been a fan for a very long time.

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On 8/3/2020 at 2:38 AM, Carmine A said:

ABSOLUTELY!! 👍👍 I'm going to have a 68 Mustang Fastback... But equip her with 4-Wheel Disc Brakes, whole new Front K-Frame with Rack & Pinion Steering, Fuel Injection, modern Air Conditioning, and a BANGING Stereo! 

All while keeping the whole Body looking Stock, and even the Stock, but rebuilt, beefed up Engine and an Overdrive Transmission. 😁 NO Coyote swap - or WORSE, an LS swap!! 

There's a very practical reason for this as well (as I told my Wife!!). An all original 68 Mustang gets about 14mpg - on a good day. And they were less than safe to Stop, and the Steering was VAGUE at best! 

A Friend of mine did similar to a 66 Mustang.... 22-27mpg!!! Stops and steers similar to a Modern Car! And it looks SAHWEET!!! ❤😁

I've got PLENTY of time to sort the details... I'm not going to see anything resembling Money for another Year to 15 Months. Currently we're a little worse than hand-to-mouth.

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Pour the budget for the stereo into the 302. Then you won't ever want to turn the stereo on (Or wind up the window).

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OK! You've got a point!! 😊  I'm an old Musclecar Guy... But I still enjoy my tunes. 

But yes, when the Radio is OFF, she will sound SWEET!!!

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This old vs new sort of idea makes me think about another one of my hobbies: guitars. When I started playing guitar in the late '80s, no one had any interest in old stuff, it seemed. Telecasters and Les Pauls were old-fogey guitars; my friends and I all wanted Jacksons or Ibanezes or those Steinberger headless jobs. Humongous solid-state amps (most often the ubiquitous Crate half-stack, all the volume of a Marshall with half the price tag and 1/3 the tone) were in, nobody wanted tubes. Boss and Digitech multi-effects processors and racks of pedals were what we lusted after, and that tight, compressed overdrive sound was where it was at.

Around the time grunge became ascendant, and possibly because of it, the old axes had a renaissance. Old Fenders and Gibsons were suddenly expensive collector's items, and even little Fender Champ tube amps went through the roof. And slowly the market caught up: tube amps were back, Strat and Tele and Les Paul reissues were available in 100 flavors, and the old Boss pedalboards ended up as trade-ins at guitar shops all over.

And what we all came to realize, slowly, is that all the new stuff wasn't any better. Louder, flashier, fancier, more expensive, but no better. And the more technology you throw at something, the more layers of junk there are between you and the feeling you first had when you started. When you only have two knobs on the amp, and four more on the guitar, and there's nothing between them but a cord, the "soul" is easy to find. Start adding knobs and buttons and effects and complexity, and it's a lot harder. These days I have a Telecaster that I built myself from a kit, an Epiphone Les Paul, and a Chinese-made 6 watt tube amp, and that's about it. And it sounds great. And you know what? I'm a lot better player now than I was back when I had all the electronic garbage and the screaming yellow Ibanez. (Still awful, but less so.)

And I definitely have the same feeling about RC cars (and real cars for that matter). It's not the technology I'm opposed to; it's the layers of complexity between me and what I want the thing to do. It's why I have bought and immediately sold two brushless systems, and will never buy another one. I don't care how fast it goes; I can't stand having to count the number of blinks of an LED. I just want to back up and pop a wheelie. And I can do that just fine with a 540 and a simple speed control, thank you.

I keep wondering if the RC hobby with reach the same sort of critical mass and backlash as guitar gear did, and more people will realize that the 80 mph RTR bashers are just boring, and that the real fun comes in seeing how fast you can drive a stock Lunchbox over a rutted patch of dirt without flipping it over. Who knows, these basic 30-40 year old designs may outlast the RTRs in the marketplace, and become the "standards," like Gibsons and Fenders.

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What do we really expect out of a Re-Re?

Parts support?
I was originally excited when Tamiya announced the TA03R-S Porsche 911 GT1. Then slightly cynical when there was no spare part # in the manual for the drive belt. No spares were made available separately from the kits, which is poor form IMO. Those black plastic gearbox casings are getting rarer and rarer, and those which do exist are getting increasingly fragile. Bodyshell released separately? No. Any re-released hop-ups? No. 

This whole re-release just smacks of an afterthought. I'm glad I didn't invest in one now. Compare it to the re-release of the TA02 (different circumstances, being ltd. edition vs. Anniversary etc.) but at least you can go out and buy spare parts for the TA02, including the aluminium motor mount and upgraded propshaft. It just seemed far better supported - so much so that I was able to build a TA02 from spare parts recently.

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