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14 minutes ago, yogi-bear said:

Hopefully this will kick off a run of 70s rally cars.

ABSOLUTELY!! Bring them on! 😁😁😊 

This is perfect timing, lined up with my Inheritance... 

Tamiya - SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!

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17 minutes ago, yogi-bear said:

well, even after trying to make my own Escort bodies, I'll still buy one of these.

Hopefully this will kick off a run of 70s rally cars.

Hey mate, did you see the Mk2 Escorts being sold currently by L&L Models? They have a great range of different vehicles.... not as good as making your own, but easier I bet!

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37 minutes ago, Incredible_Serious said:

Hey mate, did you see the Mk2 Escorts being sold currently by L&L Models? They have a great range of different vehicles.... not as good as making your own, but easier I bet!

Alex

:D yes I have seen them, and I have been tempted, pricing is a bit high for my liking though. Ans I should really finish off my current projects. In saying that it hasn't stopped me before :huh:

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8 hours ago, Blista said:

Yup, TamiyaBlog's photo makes me hopeful it'll be that one.  I think I'm too cynical to believe that Tamiya will go through the effort to create even a new colour for the wheels.  :D

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I wonder if they'll have the original sponsors or just replace it with their own fake ones?  At any rate, I'm still really stoked to see a MkII Escort.

Mmm. Homer style drooling. 

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17 hours ago, sosidge said:

Well forgive me if I take this with a pinch of salt. There are plenty of Tamiya leakers out there so its surprising that we should find out about a January release at such short notice, presumably due to it appearing on the Hobby Company's order list.

It feels like an odd Tamiya release to me... mini truck chassis with a rwd saloon shell on it... pre-painted only... no static Tamiya escort in the archives... not a car that has any JDM interest...

I have a feeling that if it does come out, and isn't a typo, it might be a UK-only special with a non-Tamiya shell on it. I think someone out there is doing an M-chassis Mk2 already.

Always ready to eat my hat of course as I have zero industry insight these days.

JDM?

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14 hours ago, ChrisRx718 said:

I'm not happy with my MF01X drift project, it seems too heavy / can't get enough steering angle, so I'll be picking one of these up to go on there! Make it off-roady with some M-chassis rally tyres. Can't wait! 

Unpainted body set part #51658, hopefully it will come out around the same time

 

 

That part number doesn't come up as a body??

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3 minutes ago, slimleeroy said:

That part number doesn't come up as a body??

It's newly-announced (as in the last 24 hours) so it won't appear on the interwebs yet if you search. Confirmed part number by our own @Mokei Kagaku (I recommend following his Facebook page if you don't already: Link to FaceBook)

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10 hours ago, Incredible_Serious said:

I could see this having rally blocks on Minilite-style wheels, taken straight from the Minis.... maybe even painted blue, or blue-chrome.

Alex

My fear here is that Tamiya will do what they often do when the put a motorsport body on an existing chassis - cheap out with the dimensions and wheels.  OK, so the Escort often wore Minilite wheels, but they were a much wider offset than those used on Mini rally cars of the era.  In the photo above, the rear wheels are wider than the fronts.  Mini Cooper wheels under an Escort body will look weedy.

The arches on the photo are properly fat - not sure what they are but they look bigger than Monte arches.  They'll want a very deep dish wheel to fit them properly.  But if Tamiya scale the body to fit over Cooper Minilites then you'll never get a deep dish wheel over them, they'll poke out too far.

I seriously hope Tamiya don't go down this route, but they have precedent.  The boxart for the Coppermix Silvia shows a properly deep set of staggered Rays wheels, but what they included in the box was a puny 5-spoke that looks like it came OEM on a mid-spec Polo.  The problem was, the body was scaled to fit those wheels.  To get the proper deep wheels under it you had to get creative with wheel hexes and suspension setup, which was a compromise if you wanted to go drifting.  IMO the Tamiya S15 Silvia body is one of the best they've made, until you try to squeeze some decent wheels under it.

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1 hour ago, Mad Ax said:

My fear here is that Tamiya will do what they often do when the put a motorsport body on an existing chassis - cheap out with the dimensions and wheels.  OK, so the Escort often wore Minilite wheels, but they were a much wider offset than those used on Mini rally cars of the era.  In the photo above, the rear wheels are wider than the fronts.  Mini Cooper wheels under an Escort body will look weedy.

The arches on the photo are properly fat - not sure what they are but they look bigger than Monte arches.  They'll want a very deep dish wheel to fit them properly.  But if Tamiya scale the body to fit over Cooper Minilites then you'll never get a deep dish wheel over them, they'll poke out too far.

I seriously hope Tamiya don't go down this route, but they have precedent.  The boxart for the Coppermix Silvia shows a properly deep set of staggered Rays wheels, but what they included in the box was a puny 5-spoke that looks like it came OEM on a mid-spec Polo.  The problem was, the body was scaled to fit those wheels.  To get the proper deep wheels under it you had to get creative with wheel hexes and suspension setup, which was a compromise if you wanted to go drifting.  IMO the Tamiya S15 Silvia body is one of the best they've made, until you try to squeeze some decent wheels under it.

Tamiya stopped doing bespoke scale rc models decades ago. Every tamiya rc replica of a real car since they stopped using the polystyrene bodies of their static kits has been a compromise of some sort, in order to fit the standardised wheel and chassis size so that the people who buy them don't have to worry about getting yet another tyre size. 

Tamiya doesn't make perfect replica scale rc cars - they make something as close as they can get while staying within standardised constraints: wheelbase, track width, wheel diameter, tyre width. They do a pretty good job too, most of the time, and it means that they can reuse existing chassis and parts primarily to save money for themselves (ultimately resulting in cheaper cars for us to buy), but also it makes rc more inviting to the average person, since they don't need to buy different parts for different cars - for example, all m-chassis wheels are the same size and width, meaning buying new tyres is easy. They used to do wide rear tyres for a few cars and look how they caught on. Yes they look better but these aren't supposed to be static models. (even though all of mine are these days 😁 )

 

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2 hours ago, slimleeroy said:

JDM?

Japanese Domestic Market.

Now that the usual sources have confirmed the Escort with a bit more detail, I'm a lot more confident that this is a full-fat Tamiya release. Perhaps something the UK distributor requested, hence their willingness to leak it out to the UK trade a bit early.

Always good to see a new body coming out!

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I posted earlier that perhaps there was some collaboration between Tamiy and Italeri on the body. Well as can be seen from this picture if they have it should be quite good. Sorry about the different scale!!

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My issue is if the collaboration has gone any further. The reason that this one is unfinished is because a) although the wheels may be ok the tyres are too low profile for an 80's rally car and b) because the front track was way too small. The front and rear body width of the 1/24th scale are almost identical, 72.5mm, give or take a hairs breadth. This scaled up to 10th (x24 divided x 10) gives a body width of 174mm. Now the beetle above is on the MF01X chassis with standard width wheels on the front at 160mm, so to fill the front arches, though to be fair on the real car they dont quite do that, you would only need an extra 10mm track to do it. The rear track of the beetle with wider tyres is 170mm  so would almost be there. Hope this is of interest

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18 hours ago, Busdriver said:

I posted earlier that perhaps there was some collaboration between Tamiy and Italeri on the body. Well as can be seen from this picture if they have it should be quite good. Sorry about the different scale!!

I don't think that's very likely in this case. Sure, Tamiya and Italeri collaborate a lot, but the molds for Italeri's Escort Mk. II originate from defunct company Esci and were first used in Esci's production in 1980. In other words, it's not likely that Esci ever had CAD-files for the kit/molds and even if they had, it's still very unlikely that Italeri would now have the CAD-files and that they would be good enough for scaling up to 1/10 scale and make a body in the quality that Tamiya would require.

Measuring up a vintage and not particularly accurate kit and scaling up from 1/24 to 1/10 scale wouldn't make much sense either, although both Monogram (1/24 => 1/12) and Pocher (1/24 => 1/8) actually did that with their '57 Chevy (Monogram) and Porsche 993 (Pocher). The resulting models are extremely crude though.

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This could be really exciting and something I never thought I'd see from Tamiya. I do fear though that it will have a similar level of scale realism to the two monstrosities below....

 

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4 hours ago, Mad Ax said:

My fear here is that Tamiya will do what they often do when the put a motorsport body on an existing chassis - cheap out with the dimensions and wheels.  OK, so the Escort often wore Minilite wheels, but they were a much wider offset than those used on Mini rally cars of the era.  In the photo above, the rear wheels are wider than the fronts.  Mini Cooper wheels under an Escort body will look weedy.

They could possibly use the Minilite wheels for the 1/8 TG10 Mini, which are 1/10 TC size, although they would probably be just as unsuitable for the Escort as the 1/10 Mini Minilite wheels. Then again, Tamiya has gotten pretty reluctant to release brand new wheels in recent years, instead rehashing old wheel designs for new bodies. Moderately successful, in my humble opinion.

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34 minutes ago, Mokei Kagaku said:

I don't think that's very likely in this case. Sure, Tamiya and Italeri collaborate a lot, but the molds for Italeri's Escort Mk. II originate from defunct company Esci and were first used in Esci's production in 1980. In other words, it's not likely that Esci had ever CAD-files for the kit/molds and even if they had, it's still very unlikely that Italeri would now have the CAD-files and that they would be good enough for scaling up to 1/10 scale and make a body in the quality that Tamiya would require.

Measuring up a vintage and not particularly accurate kit and scaling up from 1/24 to 1/10 scale wouldn't make much sese either, although both Monogram (1/24 => 1/12) and Pocher (1/24 => 1/8) actually did that with their '57 Chevy (Monogram) and Porsche 993 (Pocher). The resulting models are extremely crude though.

Yep I had the original Esci one many moons ago. It was all just an early morning thought!!!🥱

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Pity they didn’t make a mf02x for this release with the engine just behind the front wheels :rolleyes: (since in front no bodys would fit) oh well, TA03 one way diff up front then, get that heavy butt to come round.

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body set already announced. Way to go Tamiya
51658 Ford Escort MkII Rally Body Parts Set 

This is interesting 

54995 M-Chassis 60D Super Radial Tires (Soft,2pcs)

54999 M-Chassis 60D Super Radial Tires (Hard,2pcs)

I wonder if it’s a new compound or a new tyre entirely 

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2 hours ago, Wandy said:

This could be really exciting and something I never thought I'd see from Tamiya. I do fear though that it will have a similar level of scale realism to the two monstrosities below....

 

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To be fair-ish to Tamiya, those bodyshells were originally released on very different chassis about 40 years ago.

Would have been nice to see Tamiya get the dimensions a bit closer to the M-chassis, but that wouldn't really have been a re-release.

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i hope if they do use minilite wheels they make them the same as i have for my escort on my tt-01 chassis deep dish baby and not throw in a set of mini wheels that will ruin the lookIMG_20190315_173225.thumb.jpg.ac0dd5d22d959739d6f6b85b6e64d724.jpg

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6 hours ago, Wandy said:

This could be really exciting and something I never thought I'd see from Tamiya. I do fear though that it will have a similar level of scale realism to the two monstrosities below....

 

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Nope, not a chance!  Those two bodies are from archives, so the moulds are old, and they’re basically rerelease of a 40 year old body.. that’s why details are so so.  A little imagination however will make turn them into beauties and win you a concours medal at TCS! 😉

This is Ford an entirely new mould

 

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A few details from https://tamiyablog.com/

239mm (long) wheelbase.

Pre-painted white.

Separately molded plastic bumper, side mirrors and fog lamps.

Polycarbonate front and rear light cases are compatible with LEDs

This is all excellent news, although the long wheelbase means I will have to alter my own plans.

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17 minutes ago, Blista said:

A few details from https://tamiyablog.com/

239mm (long) wheelbase.

Pre-painted white.

Separately molded plastic bumper, side mirrors and fog lamps.

Polycarbonate front and rear light cases are compatible with LEDs

This is all excellent news, although the long wheelbase means I will have to alter my own plans.

Yeah, same here, I was expecting 225mm wheelbase. Time to buy a whole new propshaft!

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239mm! Excellent news👍 at last I'll be able to put a proper rwd body on my m04. 

It's about time tamiya jumped on the escort mk2 band wagon, ebay is full of various escort bodies none of which has stood out as tamiya quality. 

I'm sure Nathaneal at mciracing will be swamped with different decal set requests. I'd like to see the Rothmans, Andrews Heat for Hire, Vale and the Cossack liveries🤞

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