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Hello, is there any Tutorial about drifting vehicles?

 

A Site that tells you what Toe in Toe Out on the rear and the Front, weights in Front or rear, with of the Tires in Front and rear does??

 

I want to make my WL Toys K969 a propper drifter.

I did narrowed the front Tires (for looks), installed a gyro and tried to increase the Steering (but i think its not increased enough...).

 

 

I would love to read a tutorial, i can`t stand Youtube Tutorials even if they are the "modern way".

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It seems that Drifting is a very secretive part of the hobby. Either that, or everything is on facebook! A few years ago there were a couple of good drift specific forums, but since RWD cars have dominated it seems that the forums haven't caught up.

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Maybe thats why i do not find any Infos :D

 

That "new thing" decreases my infolevel in a lot of parts in my life.....   "everything is on facebook" .

Thanks for your infos so far.

I found out that, i do not only need mor steering angle, i also maybe need a one way differential in the front.

So now i should search for a new microservo with an grater angle.....

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This is a good starting point - there are some older posts about various setup changes and what they might do, but the emphasis is on making a change, going on track, making another change, and continuing until you understand what all the changes are doing.  Then you can start to home in on a setup that works for you.  It assumes that you are drifting on a proper surface with proper drift tyres, as you need consistency to understand the changes and ideally a marked track so you are comparing the same corners and have a reference for any changes in handling.  It will be a bit harder if you're practicing in a tarmac car park with plastic tyres, but the principle is the same.

http://okamidrift.blogspot.com/

The guy who operates it goes to my local drift club, he's really approachable and helpful but his main advice is "do what works for you, not for everybody else" - so he doesn't list and specific car/track/tyre setups.

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@Mad Ax

That Level is to high :D

For understanding:

I do not want to race or anything like that. My goal is to archeive a relatively controllable beginners Car for a little fun. I do not drive on a track with corners ect.

I have a litte tiny micro rc in 1/28 scale. It is driftable but not perfect.

In fact i think you can't get them perfect. It's a toy and stays a toy.

But i want to get is as good as it can be and want to learn how to drift.

Maybe if i learn that i will buld a Track. But at the Moment i put some Coins on my wooden Floor and circle around them.

 

Thanks a lot guys!

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Setting up for drift is a bit of a mysterious art and one I've barely taken a few steps into, I am a long way from fully understanding it.  But the basic principles are there - you want a combination of stability and edginess to make the car do what you want when you want it to.  You're probably right that your 1/28 will never be perfect, unless it has lots of adjustability and you have a proper surface to run it on.  At that scale I guess a hard floor is about right.

To begin with, drift setup will focus on spring rate and damping, just like setting up for any other surface.  For RWD we generally set them up very soft - so soft that we have to check the ride height with the body on because the weight of the body will lower it a fair bit.  After that you're into camber, toe-in (front and rear) for stability, and then Ackerman, caster angle, top and bottom arm mounts to control the roll centre, all of which a 1/28 probably doesn't have.

I'm assuming it's 4wd?  If so that makes it a little easier, but getting enough steering lock will be a challenge - you'll have to forgo those high-angle entries.  Unless you've played with the gears then it'll be 50:50, which is the easiest to drift but probably means you won't be adding too much opposite lock - you'll be drifting like a 4wd rally car on gravel, not an rwd drift car on tarmac.

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It is a 4WD feels like a Rally Car on gravel on low Speed. On highspeed it feels like on ice....

So there is a sweet Spo inbetween.

Sadly the Steeringangle is limited by the Servo.

The Servo has maybe a 90 Degree operation Angle. If it would be 180 or 135 degree or something it would handle much better.

I've done already all steering sock mods.

So next step Would be a higher degree Servo and a one Way locked Diff.

 

Sadly all the one ways are sold out....

 

 

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I have no idea really as I'm no expert HOWEVER for a few rounds of the postal racing I've noticed that I achieved quicker lap times by drifting around the turns on wet surfaces and using pin spikes (near zero grip) compared to running on dry surfaces on high grip tyres.

Maybe it is just down to my driving style or the fact most of my driving experience is on dirt but I thoroughly enjoy driving the buggies on slippery, greasy or really wet tarmac. I love sliding the back end around the turns. I have no prior experience of tarmac racing until this year and all I can say is lay out some markers (round rubber disks work well) on a big area of wet or icy tarmac and just practise driving it, start slowly and just work up to faster and faster speeds and practise flicking the steering from full lock one way to full lock the other way to get the back end to swing around. It takes a good bit of practise, maybe 3-4 hours initially to get the hang of it. It is immense fun and IMHO far greater fun than just driving around the markers/track using high grip tyres and driving normally. Like most things, it just comes down to practise and putting the time in?

The only things that I have done to my buggy that seem to make it drift better are lowering it to just 10mm ground clearance, adding alot of negative camber (5-8 degrees), fitting a slightly lower pinion than would normally be used for that track design, using a high rpm motor and using 8.4v NiCd (or a 2S LiPo). As I say, I'm no expert, I'm not a PRO racer and the last time I club raced was 30 years ago. However just try tweaking thing slightly, go run a hundred laps and see what difference they make, make more tweaks and try again. Repeat until you have it cracked. 

All I know is that I am truly in awe of the guys and gals you see on youtube doing the drifting. It requires far more skill than it looks!

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