RCMart (& Others) now charging 20% VAT to UK

[Superluminal]

25 minutes ago, rich_f said:

I wonder what else they got/will get wrong. 

It doesnt matter.

The point is that someone in the UK government is now accountable for it and can change it.

[Problemchild]

@Superluminal how can you dismiss medical research split amongst a number of nations? How is the UK going to fund the same level of research? 
 

then multiply this by the hundreds of research projects that are co funded across the EU?

We can just look in from the outside and ask if we can play

Ah well 

JJ

[Problemchild]

@rich_f well said 

we’ve always had control and in many places exceeded European legislation with our own UK legislation 

too many conspiracies imagined where none actually existed 

im not overly worried - the bigger issues will Come out over time and we will ask the EU if we can contribute but it’s gonna end up costing the UK economy in the long run to get back to where we were.

there defo needed to be reform and the uk govt was pushing hard for that and gaining traction - wish that had been an option on the opinion poll (that you should have only been allowed to take part in if you’d voted in the last election)

JJ

[Superluminal]

7 hours ago, Problemchild said:

@Superluminal how can you dismiss medical research split amongst a number of nations? How is the UK going to fund the same level of research? 

Im not dismissing it. Collaberating / crowdfunding with other nations on medical research sounds totes amazeballs. I'm all for it.

Not at the expense of having no choice but to be in an all encompassing political union with them though.

If I want to crowdfund a dooberry whatsitt with a team in any country I would like to think we should be able to do that without them saying but in exchange we will control the legislation on your industries, agriculture and laws etc.

Im not anti other countries or anti working with other countries.

Im anti totalitarian political unions where a host country wishes to leave or have doesnt have the flexibility to suit their own needs first. The same as I was in the 80s watching the end of the soviet union and the same way now if scotland wishes to leave the UK - good luck to them. Im not Scottish so it isnt for me to tell them whats best for them but I absolutely support their right to be able to make choices to serve their own needs first.

Sadly you didnt get that with being in the EU. If they would completely dissolve it and reinstate it as the original format European Coal and Steel Community where its only reach was on internal trading within the Union I might be up for a bit of that. Not what it turned into after the Maastricht treaty - that can foxtrot oscar.

[Problemchild]

@Superluminal who’s gonna work with us 50/50 when they are already working with the EU?

what “no choice” was impacting the uk negatively?

I honestly don’t feel nor did I see the uk govt having no control over what we did but hey ho 

i guess pre EU was awesome

JJ

 

[Superluminal]

29 minutes ago, Problemchild said:

i guess pre EU was awesome

JJ

 

Spot on

[StueyS]

21 hours ago, Superluminal said:

I dont recall voting for any of the Council members who are the ones that make and change the legislation and the commisioners are basically selected from preapproved stooges. Thus I could never any point in having MEPs as they could only ever be asked to vote on legislation that they had no control over being created or amended in the first place - Farage was ours for a number of years for all the difference he was able to make until the referendum.

Sorry, at what point was Farage ever trying to effect positive EU change?  His agenda was always to cause trouble and get the UK out, which he achieved with the help of other parties only interested in their own ends and certainly not the average Brit. 

[Superluminal]

That was the positive change

[Problemchild]

3 hours ago, Superluminal said:

Spot on

Yeah no wars or nothing

And how much export was there into europe pre EU 

old people making decisions for future generations eh

Sounds like rose tinted glasses for the glory years that never were 

well my children have just had their job opportunities decimated - but we have a huge diversity of jobs here right?

especially with all that research fundin.........oh we gave it away

[Re-Bugged]

8 hours ago, Problemchild said:

And how much export was there into europe pre EU 

For one we will sorely miss Bovril coming over to this part of the world. Apparently a yeast shortage has a hand in that to?

My wife (embarrassed to say) panic bought what was left at the Supermarket when she saw it on clearance.

Toast will never be the same once that runs out. 

[simalarion]

36 minutes ago, Re-Bugged said:

For one we will sorely miss Bovril coming over to this part of the world. Apparently a yeast shortage has a hand in that to?

My wife (embarrassed to say) panic bought what was left at the Supermarket when she saw it on clearance.

Toast will never be the same once that runs out. 

A bit off topic but is that not Marmite?( EDiT:Looked on the botle and i can see it is beef Stock extract actually). Dont sell this in Norway but i heard it was a thing in UK, the one we have in Norway is not salty but sweet Malt Extrakt (often used in botle for babies due to the extra vitamins). Due to all the salt it is not a problem to get adicted to Marmite and i am now ending a 500gr jar (probably the biggest) i ordered on ebay

[Superluminal]

9 hours ago, Problemchild said:

Yeah no wars or nothing

And how much export was there into europe pre EU 

old people making decisions for future generations eh

Sounds like rose tinted glasses for the glory years that never were 

well my children have just had their job opportunities decimated - but we have a huge diversity of jobs here right?

especially with all that research fundin.........oh we gave it away

There have been more "wars" around the world that we (the UK) have been involved in in my life time than there were in the lives of parents pre EU. Do you honestly believe its only been the European Union keeping us from being at war with each other? We managed quite well up till 1993.

There was lots of trade when we were in the EC.

Old people always tend to make better decisions - I would rather trust experience gained over a greater number of years than the whimsical dreams of children in political decision making.

My eye glasses are as crisp and as clear as my very expensive colonial crystal brandy glasses which I sup from while reminiscing about the days when Quality Street came in a tub that weighed an imperial ton and Ribena had enough sugar to kill a bear. Great days...sigh.

We never had a great deal of diversity in jobs even when we were in the EU. About 80% of our economy has been the service and retail industry for a very long time. Unless you wanted greater diversity in the 20%. Maybe Ive been lucky in that ive never found a shortage of work but then the work I do has never been bound to having to be in a political union.

Yes - id completely forgotten that the UK had no research and development capability prior to 1993 and in all its history had never invented anything.

[Superluminal]

34 minutes ago, Re-Bugged said:

For one we will sorely miss Bovril coming over to this part of the world. Apparently a yeast shortage has a hand in that to?

My wife (embarrassed to say) panic bought what was left at the Supermarket when she saw it on clearance.

Toast will never be the same once that runs out. 

If you need Bovril let me know and I will post it to you. I have Bovril at home and get it when I go shopping - although a jar lasts more than a month.

[Superluminal]

5 minutes ago, simalarion said:

A bit off topic but is that not Marmite?. Dont sell this in Norway but i heard it was a thing in UK, the one we have in Norway is not salty but sweet Malt Extrakt (often used in botle for babies due to the extra vitamins). Due to all the salt it is not a problem to get adicted to Marmite and i am now ending a 500gr jar (probably the biggest) i ordered on ebay

Imagine, Marmite x Beef = Bovril

Now imagine how awesome that would be.

You're not even 5% close.

[Re-Bugged]

Your either a Bovril or Marmite person @simalarion, rarely does someone like both, and as for Vegemite, no thank you. 

[Re-Bugged]

1 hour ago, Superluminal said:

If you need Bovril let me know and I will post it to you. I have Bovril at home and get it when I go shopping - although a jar lasts more than a month.

Very kind offer thank you my good man 👍🏻

[rich_f]

53 minutes ago, Superluminal said:

and Ribena had enough sugar to kill a bear. Great days...sigh.

I'm with you here - I can't stand the lingering foul aftertaste that sweeteners have compared to sugar. And it's not just Ribena, pretty much all soft drinks now contain sweeteners instead of or along with sugar, even the non-diet varieties. 

However, this change is nothing to do with our membership with the EU - in fact the same soft drinks in some EU countries still have the old, sweetener-free recipe. This was a UK government decision to force us to consume less sugar, by removing the option to buy the non-artificially-sweetened versions. Cranberry juice was my favourite - can't find it without sweeteners now 😣. (if anyone knows an artificial-sweetener-free variety of cranberry juice in the UK, please let me know)

But you can still get soft drinks (not sure about Ribena but certainly other branded blackcurrant juice concentrate) in original full-sugar form in Europe, just with more difficulty and more expense now than before we left the EU. 

[Superluminal]

24 minutes ago, Re-Bugged said:

Very kind offer thank you my good man 👍🏻

Its the only thing ive found that can cure me of a hangover now. Mug of bovril sipped very very slowly with the ocasional dipping of some dry bread.

[Problemchild]

13 hours ago, Superluminal said:

Its the only thing ive found that can cure me of a hangover now. Mug of bovril sipped very very slowly with the ocasional dipping of some dry bread.

Tbh it’s also amazing for a cold

might add some marmite next time 

JJ

[berman]

We had a massive Marmite shortage in NZ a few years ago, pots of that were going for over $100! 

I remember mum buying Borvil when we were kids, but cannot remember what it tasted like... also haven't had malt vinegar on chips since about the same time, I was talking about this the other day with a Brit at work 😲

And yeah you can stick vegemite, rotten disgusting crud 🤮

[nowinaminute]

I got another post brexit package from Banggood today. Like usual, it had been sent to relay service in UK before being sent to me.

I wasnt charged VAT at the point of sale. No idea if it has been paid by BG or bypassed.

Pretty much the usual experience with BG anyway, they usually always relay so it's not comparable to sellers who just declare gift/low value.

Ebay and Aliexpress both charge the 20% on behalf of the seller so it's hard to say if and how it would be dodge by the sellers.

I did notice some Ebay vendors have declared to ebay they will collect/pay the tax so when you checkout, instead of Ebay charging 20%, it says it has been incorporated into the price. Whether the seller is actually paying on the 20% I have no idea.

So as it stands, everything on AE is 20% more at the moment. Ebay is hit or miss depending on seller and Banggood and Gearbest are still charging the same prices and STILL offering "tariff insurance" even though they are technically liable for ot now.

It will be interesting to see if Aliexpress vendors will be given the option to declare they will collect the VAT themselves as appears to be the case with ebay.

[nowinaminute]

It will also be interesting to see how this effects owners of some UK web shops, UK ebay sellers etc who sell on small items from china and probably benefitted from the <£15 waiver until now.

 

[Badcrumble]

Not much of an update from Tamico.

But they are working on it.

 

[jupitertwo]

13 minutes ago, Badcrumble said:

Not much of an update from Tamico.

But they are working on it.

 

That’s good news, though my wallet may disagree  

With the €14 shipping previously, I’d tended to accumulate bigger orders anyway. I wonder when it all boils out how competitive they’ll be with UK prices, or if they’ll be more for unusual stuff now? I’ve never really found a Tamiya specialist in the UK, Tony on eBay is very handy but can be a bit pricey. Or am I just spoilt by RCMart pricing?

[nowinaminute]

11 minutes ago, jupitertwo said:

Or am I just spoilt by RCMart pricing?

Maybe but most of us can only afford to be loyal to our own wallets where possible. I'm certainly not going to spend £30 on a set of CVA dampers when I could get them for £13. If that's no longer the case then so be it but I wouldn't judge anyone for doing it. 

And let's not forget that RCMart and RCJaz weren't even the cheapest at one point, I'm pretty sure Banzai hobby were cheaper still but Tamiya refused to carry on supplying them because they were getting complaints from other vendors.