Model: 58080: Astute
Status: How To Guide
Date: 24-Oct-2012
Comments: 8
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This is the second part of my Astute Guide Thread.


How can we obtain a better performing and more affordable Astute on the track?

In my first article I spoke about front bulkhead, front arms, C-Hubs and uprights.

1) Astute upper arms are bulky, massive and heavy with 4 mm rod. The hardware is also complicated and heavy with two 730 bushing each one and a lot of nuts. The only good reason to keep the Astute front upper arms is that they reduce the bending of front arms, especially if you mount Madcap lower arms.

There’s no way to have a lighter Astute upper arm if you don’t replace it. The only other solution is find the super rare Avante titanium 4 mm rods and four 730 ball bearings but you spend a lot and obtain little in terms of weight savings.

Anyway a 3 mm rod with tight 4 or 5 mm ball connectors is the correct configuration in my opinion. A double tread rod is better and easier for suspension set up on the track.
With 3 mm rods and Madcap arms your car will be a little bit under steering due the bending of lower arms. In fact the ball ends on both sides of upper arms can not prevent the bending of the lower arms. Super Astute stronger lower arms don’t bend and are the best choice again.



2) Steering links are very good on the Astute so they can remain the same. I suggest to replace the sloppy original 5 mm ball connectors with tight 4 o 5 mm ones. This will reduce weight and will give more precision to the drive. Four 850 ball bearings are also a good replacement of the heavier 850 bushings.



3) Battery position on the Astute is an old concept. As on the Madcap the battery is mounted transversely on the frame. There are three positions to choose from forward or backward to decide the weight balance. Obviously these regulations are not enough to have a decent weight balance so Tamiya went to longitudinally mounted battery on Super Astute. You must install Super Astute G parts to have the longitudinally battery position. In the same G parts you will find the battery stays and the very important G4 front bulkhead brace.



4) Astute and Super Astute frp chassis plates are almost identical except two more holes needed to mount the Super Astute battery stay. When you mount Super Astute G2 and G5 parts you will eliminate three aluminum columns, mechanical speed controller plate and servo stay but must drill these two more holes. You must drill a 3 mm hole and use a tool called countersink for the countersunk head of the screws. Longitudinally mounted battery will give better weight balance and quicker power pack replacement.

Position of these new two holes is explained in the picture.



5) Astute and Super Astute rear shock tower stays are almost identical. Madcap rear shock tower stay is simpler and lighter. As usual there are a lot of heavy press nuts that are not present on Madcap. Anyway there’s no need to swap the Astute/Super Astute tower stay with Madcap one except for the weight saving.

On the tower stay are joined rear upper arms. I’ll speak about them later.

An handmade modification is needed on the rear tower stay, on both Madcap and Astute ones. A carbon fiber or aluminum brace is needed between right and left upper arms. If you haven't it probably the upper arm will strip its mount on the tower stay. This is an highly suggested modification. You can see mine in the picture. With this modification the problem is solved.

Another modification that must be done on the rear tower stay (if you replace the Astute bulky arms with normal ones) is adding two spacers at the upper arms mount. These spacers must be 4 or 5 mm thick on the Astute shock tower and 2 or 3 mm on Madcap shock tower (spacers are present on the Super Astute). Will explain the reason of these spacers later but remember this thing.




6) Rear upper arms are bulky as and more than front ones and they are heavy. On the rear upper arms are also joined the rear toe links. All this things must go away. They are over engineered and heavy with all this hardware and 4 mm rods. I absolutelly suggest 3 mm double tread rod and 4 or 5 mm tight ball connectors. If you make this modification you also must replace Astute rear uprights and hubs with Madcap or Super Astute ones.

As per front these bulky rear upper arms avoid the rear lower arms bending. This is due they are not joined with ball connectors but with solid 3 mm shafts.

So, when you go to ball connectors nothing prevent the lower arm bending. This is a problem with rear end because this flection allows the upper arms to touch the damper springs. This problem can be solved with the spacers (point #5) plus the tower stay brace. These spacers give more clearance between rear dampers and rear upper arms. To avoid the bending Super Astute rear lower arms are the best solution again.



P.S. Sorry for my bad English. If you see some error please write me in PM and I will correct it.





























1) Astute front upper arms, heavy and bulky. 2) The only good part on the Astute? ;-) 3) Different battery position on A and SA. 4) Hole position for Super Astute battery stays. 4) Countersunk tool for the chassis holes. 5) As should be in the tower brace in the manual. 5) My Astute tower braces plus 5 mm spacers. 6) Bulky, complicated and fragile rear parts. 6) Simple Madcap rear parts. 6) Broken parts...

If you liked those pictures, you should see these...
Astute: A guide based on my experience part 03

Comments

Crash Cramer

24-Oct-2012

This is getting good, do you have by chance a FULL Size template for the two extra screw holes needed to convert an Astute FRP deck into the SAstute deck when mounting the battery in the SA manner??? Thanks for the help, it has been on my TO DO list for ages and I am scared to do it without a good template so I don't screw it up.

kontemax

24-Oct-2012

Hi Crash Cramer, I've not a full size template but the measurement is correct, I personally did it.

Crash Cramer

24-Oct-2012

O, I didn't doubt you did it right, I just don't know where I should be drilling holes, thought I would get a template, perhaps a Super Astute owner can copy his FRP base and we will have a template then.

mor10retro

24-Oct-2012

No front brace? - No party!...LOL! :-D
Looks very nice.

sunnyjai

24-Oct-2012

Very detailed and very comprehensive part2 tutorial - a real eye opener for me as i'll be planning an Astute runner in the near future. Thanks again for sharing this

AJFord

24-Oct-2012

Fantastic work Max. Really well detaailed and the images make the changes very easy to understand. I have previously done most of the changes you have detailed on my astute runner and can vouch for them. Keep up the great work!

AJFord

24-Oct-2012

@crashcramer. I did the battery relocation on my astute with no instructions at all, Max has given pretty good detail in this guide...... Just grab a drill and go for it!

AJFord

25-Oct-2012

@crashcramer. I did the battery relocation on my astute with no instructions at all, Max has given pretty good detail in this guide...... Just grab a drill and go for it!


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